Watch Out, It's a Drive-By!
Thursday, October 15, 2009 by Island Dog | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
No, not that kind, but this one is just as shady as the real ones.
Every once and a while we get "drive-by" raters as we call them. These are people who are either regular or new users who just instantly give low ratings for whatever reason.
In some cases it's done because of "competition" and that is pretty low in my honest opinion. In the example above, this is a skin that has an overwhelming amount of high ratings, except for one. This is common with many skins, and I know who rates a skin like that without even looking at the name.
Some could argue that "well it's their opinion", and I although that is a possiblity, I do look at patterns and I know the difference between randomness and intention.
I think everyone should rate and comment on a skin with honesty, and offer constructive feedback, but this is wrong. In cases like this, the delete button is used as it's an abuse of the system. The mods here do keep an eye on ratings and let Jafo and I know when suspicious things like this come up. It's not a common occurance, so don't get alarmed in that respect.
The rating system in the next WC is drastically different, and issues like this will be null for the most part. I'm writing this to let everyone know we are not tolerating things like this as it's un-fair, and just plain sucks.
Reply #22 Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:38 PM
* edit: The "real" rating system is number of downloads, anyway.
Not necessarily. Number of downloads shows popularity, not necessarily quality. If 2 skins are uploaded simultaneously, one that is "cool" and one that is "refined" -- the cool will win out on downloads over the refined (BTW, I'm not saying my skins are refined -- they aren't - I'm still learning. I'm just stating the fact that what appeals to the common masses isn't necessarily of the highest quality sometimes).
Both of you are correct...and in a general sense I am as well. Maybe the rating system is not desirable...maybe it is. The "Like it" /"Don't like it" doesn't really solve anything more than the stars. Maybe just get rid of the rating system altogether and just let folks take what they want and leave what they don't.
I'm no expert at this, and don't pretend to be. There's no perfect system, that's for sure. "What I like" isn't uniform and can't be....even in the same person over time. Maybe just forget about the ratings altogether. What do they really contribute? Is anything really dependent on them?
I agree with Vamps and Snowy on this topic. It just isn't worth it.
Reply #23 Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:48 PM
If you think about it any ratings system is open for abuse, suspicion of others, controversy, blah blah etc..
Seems to me.. there's no real need for any kind of rating system, especially if it isn't accurate, just let people download what they like and thats that. Perhaps everyone will get a fair shake if people aren't sorting by ratings and missing some good little nuggets that have been downrated.
I'm also for heightening quality levels back to where they were when WC was respected for it's high quality skins and wallpapers.
More.. is never better.. unless it's girls in a hot tub ![]()
Reply #24 Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:51 PM
I agree. I think some my stuff get's high ratings because some of you are over kind. This makes the whole system even more confuzzled. I appreciate the support more than I can say, but I think the downloads say more than the ratings. My stuff isn't for 'everybody' and I've done a lot of rare icon requests that only a handful of people might ever use. I also look back on what I did when I first started compared to more recent stuff and it'a almost embarrasing. I've thought about removing a lot of it but get overly nostalgic when I start to look through the stuff.
I'll be glad when the rating system is gone. I have to ask (and you know I do) How will this work with 'wallpapers' for example, that don't go into the main gallery because the mods didn't give it more than two stars?
Reply #25 Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:52 PM
Reply #26 Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:59 PM
I've heard stories about that test and how one of my walls got passed around.
It was chocolate.
You sick monkeys. ![]()
Reply #27 Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:01 PM
Wallpapers will still be moderated.
That's not an easy accomplishment. We need more people submitting here.
Reply #28 Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:04 PM
Perhaps they would if they thought their work wouldn't be buried so quickly..
I dunno.. just a thought.
Reply #29 Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:20 PM
In certain galleries, it can get burried pretty fast.
Other galleries seem 'dominated' by certain individuals by no fault of their own. I'd like to see more people involved in them, submitting art and all. I have kept from submitting to some galleries because I know it will be burried in a day because of this.
Perhaps in the next WC contest, these galleries can be added. They may not be the most popular galleries but maybe drawing attention to them this way would help break up the monotony/monopoly on them.
Reply #30 Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:04 PM
I've heard that this has been argued before, but I think the OD gallery should be split into icons and into docks.
This would prevent docks from becoming buried. I really have to side with John and WebGizmos in this discussion (although I didn't ask WG's permission to use his name here, it's no big secret that he has argued this in the past).
Other solutions should/could be found for other galleries, I believe, like putting a rule in that game/app icons be submitted in sets of three to five....just an arbitrary example.
Reply #31 Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:02 PM
Ratings never had a sell past date because they were flawed from the beginning
Comments > Ratings . Anyone can click a button. Takes a mind to give constructive feedback/compliments
Reply #32 Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:17 PM
I think this should be encouraged more.. Looks great! is nice and all but doesn't really do anyone any good.
Reply #33 Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 PM
For awhile I tried rating anything I downloaded but that is sometimes hard to do since you don't really want to rate it if you haven't tried it and I'm sure I still have skins that I downloaded months ago because they looked good in the posted shot of them but that I haven't yet had a reason/the time to use that particular skin.
Also it became an issue of so many times that I tried to rate something and got the "you need to be a member to rate" message even though I am a member that now I've gotten used to being unable to rate and therefore don't always remember to check and see if I'm able to on every skin I download.
I think that would have to be decided on a quality basis also
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Reply #34 Friday, October 16, 2009 1:00 AM
And who is to say the mods ratings for wallpapers is fare, if you mod one you need to mod all... or non at all
Reply #35 Friday, October 16, 2009 1:05 AM
ROFLMAO........
Zu, did you break the emotes again?
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Reply #36 Friday, October 16, 2009 1:07 AM
Or money, which brings the other...lol!!
Reply #37 Friday, October 16, 2009 1:08 AM
Wallpapers will still be moderated.
Everything will, won't it?
Reply #38 Friday, October 16, 2009 1:10 AM
And just what are you saying?????? ![]()
Reply #40 Friday, October 16, 2009 8:16 AM
I wasn't referring to you. Don't get your thong in a bunch. ![]()
And I'm not saying it's the uploaders fault. It's a severe lack of anyone else uploading to those galleries that is the problem.
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Reply #21 Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:10 PM
Hear hear!