Vista is gone - but it went down kicking and screaming
Saturday, December 6, 2008 by Fuzzy Logic | Discussion: Personal Computing
Some time ago I decided I'd had enough of Vista and would go back to XP. After 2 BSODS and explorer crashing when I tried to rename a file, I decided now was the time.
Sounds easy... I disconected 3 of my four drives, partitioned and formatted my O/S drive, and started the XP install procedure. Hmmm, evertime I got to the part where I expected it to say 'Press any key to boot from disk...' it just went straight into setup again. Nothing I did to the drive with either formatting or partitioning would get past this. Clearly, Vista still had it's grubby little paws on this disk.
So, back to basics. Thankfully when I built this pc I kept a floppy drive... Out came my Windows98 boot disk and straight into DOS. From there I used my equally ancient Killdisk. It took an hour and a half for Killdisk to finish, but it took Vista and erased its ass. Vista is no more, it has ceased to be - it is an ex O/S.
XP installed as smooth as ever. So here I am, in an O/S which so far has no drivers or programs installed. I'll get to that later. Meanwhile I can stick two fingers up (in the form of a 'V') to Vista. Hasta la Vista Vista, as they say ![]()
Reply #22 Saturday, December 6, 2008 7:30 PM
I wish someone would give a valid reason why Vista is better than XP.
Looking at my screen now, I see no difference between the two. Well, that isn't strictly true. In XP I have a usable start menu, and Windows Explorer hasn't got any clutter or any mouseover nonsense.
Oh, and games like UT2004 (a favourite of mine) romps along at 2-300 fps instead of the miserly 75-80 Vista can manage.
People just won't admit Vista is a pup.
Vista was supposed to be a new visual experience blah blah. But really, with all these incredible Stardock programs to play with, Vista kinda missed the boat.
Reply #23 Saturday, December 6, 2008 7:43 PM
Thinking about it, I hardly ever use the start menu, with all the Stardock's apps for short cuts. I find the Vista programs feature much cleaner to use than the XP's 2 or 3 full screen menus that pop out.
Reply #24 Saturday, December 6, 2008 8:07 PM
Vista was supposed to be a new visual experience blah blah. But really, with all these incredible Stardock programs to play with, Vista kinda missed the boat.
Reply #25 Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:16 PM
I'm feelin warm and Fuzzy.....
I know we never spoke but I miss Scotty's expression, hehe
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Welcome back.
Reply #26 Sunday, December 7, 2008 3:54 AM
I forgot all about the bsod. The only time I had it in XP was with the bklaster worm and I've never had it in Vista. Might as well go back to win9x if you really want to impress.
Reply #27 Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:24 AM
I prefer XP over Vista for the simple reason of less "safety features" if you get my meaning. XP I tell it to do something, it does it, or at least tells me why it can't do it and then I make it do what I want anyway.
Vista it's constantly "Are you sure you want to install this program?" Are you sure you want to startup this program? This program may not be installed properly. Are you sure you want to shutdown the computer?
At least XP let's me save money on aspirin. ![]()
Reply #28 Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:50 AM
You can do the same in Vista by disabling UAC... it's no biggie and you can do what you like, with no need for aspirin, tantrums or strait jackets.
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Reply #29 Sunday, December 7, 2008 8:07 AM
I hear you all, agree with some disagree with others...
But, point here isn't in going from one dead horse to another or from one pig to another...
I also used to run Vista and XP and 2000 and 98 and 95...
But then, after plenty of "aspirins" and various forms of frustration and utter pain I made rather balled move and switched to OS X
13 months later:
- not a single crash
- not a single virus
- not a single trojan or other bs file
- plus perfectly clean XP installation via Bootcamp for all my gaming needs
= the ultimate computing experience ![]()
In short - whenever I see thread like this I remember old days and feel with you all ![]()
Reply #30 Sunday, December 7, 2008 8:45 AM
I built a new quad core PC earlier this year (my brother in law is an Intel Rep - free motherboard and top line CPU!). The word from my computer geek friends is that Vista was a memory hog, prone to driver-related crashes, would not work with some peripherals, and had some performance problems. XP worked fine with me, so my new rig got XP. I've had no problems whatsoever.
What is telling for me is that my company (engineering) has not migrated and has no intention of migrating to Vista. When 98 was replaced by XP (ME and 2000 weren't considered except for specialty business computers) it took only a year before the rollout. Of course, 98 DID have stability problems. Why aren't they jumping onto the (small) Vista bandwagon? Our IT guys have told me that VISTA doesn't play nice with other XP PCs (a problem during the middle of a rollout that takes 2 years before all PCs cycle off lease), and that changing over ten thousand PCs at my company, upgrading the servers, and dealing with hordes User Issues is not something they want to deal with. XP is well understood and works just fine. Plus, Vista is such a memory hog that PCs that have lots of company security and specialty software become brain dead doorstops unless they massively upgrade the memory. And why go to the extra expense when XP works?
So, I'm happy with XP. Once I have a reason to switch I will.
Hydro
Reply #31 Sunday, December 7, 2008 8:45 AM
I haven't had a BSOD for quite some time; I'd guess a driver is to blame. I've had my share of BSODs in XP anyways, so I'm not sure XP is all that different in that regard.
But I guess that doesn't matter now that you've made the switch. I plan on sticking with Vista myself. It has worked well for me.
As if going above your monitor's refresh rate is going to make any difference. Your monitor can't draw fast enough to keep up with 300 fps.
Dunno why it would slow down so much, though - is this with the latest drivers?
This one I count as very helpful because I've had many a program try to shutdown my computer without my permission
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Once all of the software you want is installed, those prompts pretty much go away anyways.
Never used the Start menu much in either Vista or XP, so changes to it really don't bother me that much. Someday they'll make it useful. I personally don't see how it's any sort of improvement over Windows 3, and to this day I have a set of folders on my desktop instead of using the Start menu.
Reply #32 Sunday, December 7, 2008 8:46 AM
In short, if you'd like to buy me OS-X, I'll happily use it (with Bootcamp for XP), and in a few years we can reminisce about the good old days and feel for them all together
Sound like a plan?
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Reply #33 Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:16 AM
Oh, yeah. I have never had a problem with XP, but ME... man. I heard that Bill Gates himself said that that was the worst OS that Microsoft had ever made.
My parents had Vista for awhile, but went back to XP because the Vista media center program was considerably less user-friendly (you couldn't play movies off your hard drive, I believe was one of the issues they had).
Reply #34 Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:33 AM
Ok here's the problem I see in this discussion:
Most people are comparing their set-in, heavely optimized, completely personalized, correctly installed XP rigs with their out-of-the-box Vista machines.
Unless you got your XP rig in the bast 18 months or so, you had to do about as much (or actually more most of the times), to get it working well as you do with Vista.
And for XP I've done about 20 reinstalls(forced, not counting optional ones where I was tinkering and stuff) in its lifetime, resulting form BSODs, taskbar hangs, >>>>MALWARE<<<< (the unprovoked kind, mind you) etc, etc, etc... most in the first 2 years of release
WIth Vista?Since getting it a year ago: NO reinstalls so far, NO taskbar hangs, NO BSOD(aside from the one time I did something stupid istalling gfx driver... and yes the whole GFX issue was a pain) , NO malware, great file management and backup capabilites, great background service prioratization, and so on.
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Reply #35 Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:46 AM
Most people are comparing their set-in, heavely optimized, completely personalized, correctly installed XP rigs with their out-of-the-box Vista machines.
Unless you got your XP rig in the bast 18 months or so, you had to do about as much, and many times more, to get it working well as you do with Vista.
And XP, I've done about 20, reinstalls in its lifetime, resulting form BSODs, taskbar hangs, >>>>MALWARE<<<< (the unprovoked kind, mind you) etc, etc, etc... most in the first 2 years of release
WIth Vista?Since getting it a year ago: NO reinstalls so far, NO taskbar hangs, NO BSOD(aside from the one time I did something stupid istalling gfx driver) , NO malware, great file management and backup capabilites, great background service prioratization, and so on.
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Actually both my machines are Out of the Box installs.
My desktop is a refurbished Compaq Presario AMD 3400+ that has had XP Home preinstalled
My laptop is a refurbished HP Pavillion AMD Turion 64x2 that has Vista Home Premium
Both machines have 2gb of RAM. Desktop has a better graphics card.
My XP machine is a far better experience ( my laptop is 'good enough' and I'm having issues with kubuntu on it so for now Vista stays )
Oh and the virus issue is moot. I had *one* malware incident on XP and that was me installing a .exe for a Trillian skin off of Customize.org. Self inflicted. And I don't go to that site anymore. Lesson learned.
BTW , OSX isn't worth becoming the 'I'm a Mac ' from those assinine Apple ads .
Reply #36 Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:58 AM
not on 4gig & quad core 9800GT G-Card no pup here
start menu is better on Vista come on
Reply #37 Sunday, December 7, 2008 11:07 AM
Fuzzy will soon grow fatigued with XP and downgrade to Win2000 
Reply #40 Sunday, December 7, 2008 11:37 AM
Good for you, not a fan of vista myself, but anyone else wanting to go back, use the xp disk and run fix mbr. Vista has an entirely different boot loader and it needs to be changed before you can load xp. Just a note to save others from the hassle Fuzzy encountered.
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Reply #21 Saturday, December 6, 2008 7:06 PM
I had no problems changing my Compaq f500 notebook over to XP from Vista. And , lucky me, HP had all the XP drivers for my rig ready for downloading. Then I found 2GB of ram at walmart for an affordable price. Changed my notebook back to Vista, thinking the extra ram would matter.....NOT!!! Vista still sux, even with 2.5 GB ram. So, now I am thinking of going back to XP again. Dual booting worked, but I want to lose Vista altogether. The only thing Vista does for me that XP don't is Vista run dreams more smoothly. And UAC is driving me nuts!!! I know how to turn it off, but then I have nag screens, popup warnings, etc.
So as I think about going back to XP, again, I wish Fuzzy Logic, Spock, would come back to us. I vote Fuzzy!!!!