Updating the star rating system
here are the ideas...
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 by TYCUS | Discussion: Community
The following is an extended explanation of my idea in how the actual rating system can improve; the goal of this is to lower down the amount of threads at the forum complaining and asking why their skins got a low rating.
Stars 2.0
One of the common arguments about the actual rating system is the “why I got a low rate?”; right now when you submit a skin at any gallery your work will be rated by a moderator, this person will even decide if your work is good enough or suitable to enter into the gallery, in fact, this procedure is quite necessary and it doesn’t need to change at all, we can consider that like the “start point” to begin the rating. Now, how should we rate in the correct way? My idea is quite simple:
- - Rate and add a comment.
To prevent skinners fury we can replace the little window showing the amount of stars to rate the skin with two things: at the top right side of the skinner description of the skin it could be a star-meter, just to show the rating the skin has. The other part is at the comments area: in there aside the guy/gal name it will appear the rate he/she gave to the skin and comment will be the reason of the amount of the stars he/she gave. Now, you will ask your self how in the name of God we can make that person to leave a comment and not just the rate? It’s simple, during the procedure of rating a comment it “must” be added a comment to apply the rate, if not it won’t let the user to apply any star at all. If a user rates any skin just righting some useless words or typing anything in a random way without any sense, the skinner can request to undo the rate and delete the comment. All this can be done just by making a pop-up window to appear (we can even add an edit button to leave the option open if the user want to change the rate or the comment he/she did). By doing this we can even prevent other users to spam or put a low rating just to damage the skinner work.
2. - Hide the troll.
A plus to this idea is to add a “hide” button in every comment that can be use only by the owner of the skin, this is to leave the option of hiding useless comments with a low rating or other kind of comments that the skinner might consider unnecessary.
3. - Flaming stars!
Other thing that it might be good is to give to the skin the honor of “flaming star”; it is something like a popular skin thing. A skin can get the title of flaming star when it gets more than 20 or 10 five star ratings (given by users).
- - Who can rate?
I don’t remember who are able to rate and who doesn’t, but to me, the only ones who must rate a skin are the Master Apprentice, Journeyman and Masters. Why of this? Not only because they are at certain point experts on what they do, they also make a great effort to make this site even better in many ways.
And that is all.., I really hope my idea(s) could be considered and be applied…
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Reply #42 Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:58 PM
I don't necessarily think it is a bad thing for user ratings to ultimately push the rating lower than the original mod rating ... assuming there is no malice involved and I think the mods can take care of those cases as they already have been.
I do think if a submission is given a rating high enough by the mods to put it in the public view, it should stay in the public view no matter how low the rating may go subsequently ... and maybe that is already the case; I don't know.
Reply #43 Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:45 PM
+1
Reply #44 Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:47 PM
A: This same thread appears about once every couple of months.
B: We've been told in the past - "too bad, we're not changing it"
C: Thread still reappears every couple of months
Conclusion: People don't like it or they wouldn't bitch about it every couple of months but management "wants to do what they want to do".
At least Zoomba took exception to it on this one.
Reply #45 Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:04 PM
if that is true., this thread is useless., even thoug, i keep thinking that any site can improve., no matter how excelent it looks for some, it can keep improving even more!
Reply #46 Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:06 PM
I've always wondered if that was the way it's set up now.
Since I have it set ip to view all skins, no matter what the rating is, I'm not real worried about what a skin has for a rating. However, if it's too low, it will not show in the gallery for a non-subscriber, and subsequently, will not get as many downloads. It seems to me that that's why most complain about low ratings. (besides the fact that it bruises the ego when something you poured yourself into gets squashed by a moderator
)So if a moderator rated a skin a 5 then it could not drop below a 4? That sounds reasonable.
Reply #47 Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:00 PM
Good discussion.
I don't think that the Mod rating should be a lodestone. I think that the mods need to flow with the community and . . moderate their ratings to reflect what is popular (if not what is submitted). The mods are not the Gods of good taste. They are the starting point for keeping the gallery a place that the community can be proud of (and encourage those skins that are not yet there and in the personal pages to improve). I think mods should adapt.
[As an aside . .I'd like to see the Impulse friends feature roll over to skins . . so that when I load the Valery I see skins from my friends not matter what the rating or gallery]
Reply #48 Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:06 PM
I've read ratings matter and ratings don't matter
I've read downloads are more accurate than ratings (I don't see that one... sometimes people download cuz the numbers are high, so they think it must be good. but sometimes that's not the case. I've downloaded quite a few that had high download counts and looked really good in the shots but didn't quite work for me in real time.)
I've read everything from'waaaahhhh!!!!' to 'shuuuttt uuuupppp!!'
My question is....
If a skin's rating can't drop (or can only drop 1) below the mod's given rating... then what's the point?
Reply #49 Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:14 PM
Same here ... I'm a little unclear on 'Valery'. but I think I get the gist.
Reply #50 Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:06 PM
What new smilies? The Digi*cons that I've hosted so we could use them since WC's haven't been updated yet? And if IE6 actually supported transparency (or if you'd upgrade to the latest version like normal people
) they would display properly. Out with the old...in with the new. Outdated, hole-ridden software FTL. 
Reply #54 Monday, June 23, 2008 12:09 AM
C....yes it does, but at least this one is constructive, not argumentative.
B.... No, that's more a response to 'remove ratings' than 'change the system'.
If something's suggested that is both an improvement AND does not disadvantage any one group [moderrator/skinner/general user] then it'd certainly be considered.
The reality is, however these sort of changes are a little like Rome.....they won't be built in a day....
Reply #55 Monday, June 23, 2008 12:25 AM
Reply #57 Monday, June 23, 2008 12:40 AM
The extra 'r' is a bonus....ues it wisely...
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Reply #41 Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:14 PM
how bout something like this: No stars or #'s
Recommend to Friends, Enemies & Mother-In-Law
Recommend to Friends & Enemies
Recommend to Friends
Use it myself
It's OK
I've seen it, now I can move on.
Oh My eyes!
Visually scarred for life
Recommend the artist never attempt this again
Recommend the artist be hunted down & physically punished