Hyperdesk
by The Skins Factory
Sunday, April 13, 2008 by messiah1 | Discussion: Customization Software
So with Hyperdesk just around the corner, is this finally some competition for WindowBlinds? How well will TSF and Stardock play together? I know TSF used to contribute here, but they don't show up much anymore, at least with content. I'm anxiously awaiting the release and can't wait to see DarkMatter. Hurry up Jeff. 
What are your thoughts?
*UPDATE: Hyperdesk is live. Go check it out and leave your constructive comments about it here. (Notice I didn't say "only leave your good comments or bash it". Constructive comments can be positive or negative but should be supported with facts.)
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BBXstudio
Reply #322 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:29 AM
No, what I'm saying is that these alleged 'deceptions' that keep being alluded to won't register as such to 99.99% of the people we'd like to reach, skin-enthusiasts and new users alike.
Reply #322 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:29 AM
...you've then proceeded to make quite a few comments that basically amount to "We think the vast majority of people are to stupid to know what they should be getting and so it doesn't matter whether or not we show them the stuff that isn't up to par."
No, what I'm saying is that these alleged 'deceptions' that keep being alluded to won't register as such to 99.99% of the people we'd like to reach, skin-enthusiasts and new users alike.
vStyler
Reply #323 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:36 AM
Reply #323 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:36 AM
99.9% eh.. thats pretty assumptive..
..then again...I always was in the top percentile.. no wonder I noticed. Bebi.. u must be a wonderchild too.
..then again...I always was in the top percentile.. no wonder I noticed. Bebi.. u must be a wonderchild too.
Bebi Bulma
Reply #324 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:38 AM
You betcha.
With my OCD, I've always had a very keen eye for details.
Reply #324 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:38 AM
I always was in the top percentile.. no wonder I noticed. Bebi.. u must be a wonderchild too.
You betcha.
With my OCD, I've always had a very keen eye for details.
BBXstudio
Reply #325 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:38 AM
Nope - it just never occurred to us that this kind of thing would be an issue. I still assert that it is simply a non-issue to the vast majority. We just created the previews with the same criteria we ever have. There was never any intention to deceive.
Reply #325 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:38 AM
Certainly seems that way. Never a good business stance to think your customers are too dumb to know any better and thus don't deserve to see everything since "they don't know what all this is anyway."
Nope - it just never occurred to us that this kind of thing would be an issue. I still assert that it is simply a non-issue to the vast majority. We just created the previews with the same criteria we ever have. There was never any intention to deceive.
zakai1369
Reply #326 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:54 AM
Well there is only one good response for that that comes to mind.
Since you have so much time for the forums today why not take the time to count the number of comments posted in this thread, only counting each person once, since the actual release of Hyperdesk and then add to that the comments you've gotten on the HD forums, adding back in the ones that had unwanted critiques and were hidden/deleted, and then compare the number of ones all out praising it to the ones that had criticism about the incomplete/unshown elements.
My guess is the percentage of complaints/critiques will be more than .1%.
Reply #326 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:54 AM
No, what I'm saying is that these alleged 'deceptions' that keep being alluded to won't register as such to 99.99% of the people we'd like to reach, skin-enthusiasts and new users alike.
Well there is only one good response for that that comes to mind.
Since you have so much time for the forums today why not take the time to count the number of comments posted in this thread, only counting each person once, since the actual release of Hyperdesk and then add to that the comments you've gotten on the HD forums, adding back in the ones that had unwanted critiques and were hidden/deleted, and then compare the number of ones all out praising it to the ones that had criticism about the incomplete/unshown elements.
My guess is the percentage of complaints/critiques will be more than .1%.
TSF-Jeff
Reply #327 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:14 AM
Reply #327 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:14 AM
Bebi: What exactly do you do here anyway besides insert snide remarks? Do you actually perform a function? Wait you art directed one time right? lol. Was it like... "put the pink thing over there"? I'm sure you were a big help. No doubt.
vstyler: You go into hyperdrive buddy and call me when a Fortune 100 company pays you over 300K to do a project. I'm mean really Let's see some of those real client jobs you brag about. Surely you have a portfolio up that shows your work and your clients. See we can do that....
Clients: WWW Link
Portfolio: WWW Link
No, that's right, you need to work on your theme for an upcoming competition. You go do that and we'll go get paid.
vstyler: You go into hyperdrive buddy and call me when a Fortune 100 company pays you over 300K to do a project. I'm mean really Let's see some of those real client jobs you brag about. Surely you have a portfolio up that shows your work and your clients. See we can do that....
Clients: WWW Link
Portfolio: WWW Link
No, that's right, you need to work on your theme for an upcoming competition. You go do that and we'll go get paid.
TSF-Jeff
Reply #329 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:19 AM
As if any of you really counts as honest criticism. lol Sure zakai, we'll get right on that.
Reply #329 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:19 AM
Well there is only one good response for that that comes to mind.
Since you have so much time for the forums today why not take the time to count the number of comments posted in this thread, only counting each person once, since the actual release of Hyperdesk and then add to that the comments you've gotten on the HD forums, adding back in the ones that had unwanted critiques and were hidden/deleted, and then compare the number of ones all out praising it to the ones that had criticism about the incomplete/unshown elements.
My guess is the percentage of complaints/critiques will be more than .1%.
Since you have so much time for the forums today why not take the time to count the number of comments posted in this thread, only counting each person once, since the actual release of Hyperdesk and then add to that the comments you've gotten on the HD forums, adding back in the ones that had unwanted critiques and were hidden/deleted, and then compare the number of ones all out praising it to the ones that had criticism about the incomplete/unshown elements.
My guess is the percentage of complaints/critiques will be more than .1%.
As if any of you really counts as honest criticism. lol Sure zakai, we'll get right on that.
TSF-Jeff
Reply #330 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:23 AM
Are you still rambling about that competition? Guess what, most commercial artists don't enter website competitions because they're too busy earning a living doing art. But you don't have that problem do you?
And my god, do you have a crush on me or something? You're on my deviantART page like every 3 hours. I mean i don't blame you because hey, I am kind of cute, but really man you need to get over it, because i'm not leaving my wife for you.
Reply #330 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:23 AM
Like I said.. no show.
Are you still rambling about that competition? Guess what, most commercial artists don't enter website competitions because they're too busy earning a living doing art. But you don't have that problem do you?
And my god, do you have a crush on me or something? You're on my deviantART page like every 3 hours. I mean i don't blame you because hey, I am kind of cute, but really man you need to get over it, because i'm not leaving my wife for you.
vStyler
Reply #331 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:24 AM
Just looking at the 30 odd comments that come in 1 every six hours... not exactly setting the world on fire eh?
Jeff, when its all said and done.. I care about EVERYONE who uses my work, I can sleep at night and my family loves me.. you'll get paid alright..sooner or later.
It's not all about money in life or clients or portfolios..
Show, don't show, doesnt matter, you cant win it anyway. I garauntee it.
Reply #331 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:24 AM
You're on my deviantART page like every 3 hours.
Just looking at the 30 odd comments that come in 1 every six hours... not exactly setting the world on fire eh?
Jeff, when its all said and done.. I care about EVERYONE who uses my work, I can sleep at night and my family loves me.. you'll get paid alright..sooner or later.
It's not all about money in life or clients or portfolios..
Show, don't show, doesnt matter, you cant win it anyway. I garauntee it.
zakai1369
Reply #332 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:35 AM
Reply #332 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:35 AM
It's always amusing how the people who "have no time for this" always manage to spend so much time at it. And only to respond to and make childish remarks about people who are so important and a part of the same family/community or who don't mean shit, depending on which face they want to show at that second.
Could you get anymore pathetic?
Could you get anymore pathetic?
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #334 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:40 AM
Reply #334 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:40 AM
All I see here are enormous over inflated egos on the rampage. Pathetic. Why don't you all go away and leave us skinners to get on with our hobby. You know, the hobby we do for fun.
Yeah, that's right 'fun' - look it up in a dictionary...
Yeah, that's right 'fun' - look it up in a dictionary...
TSF-Jeff
Reply #335 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:41 AM
Reply #335 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:41 AM
Well considering we have about 5 times the pageviews you do, i guess you ain't either eh sport? And that's with me not uploading for well over a year when Jark was ousted.
Putting words in our mouths once again? Paste where either Billy or I EVER said we don't care about who uses our work. We spend 8 weeks on a theme because we care. No one spends the amount of time that we do on 1 theme. Alienware Invader took Billy around 10 weeks to create that WMP. So besides obnoxious we can tack on you're a liar.
Sure, we'll stop creating Hyperdesk themes so we can compete against you in a skinning competition haha. Right.
If you really want to compete with me then let's compare real stats. Hyperdesk.com was ranked 65K on Alexa today and we've been live for about 3 days? You don't even have a ranking yesterday. Really burning up the net aren't ya?
On deviantart your pageviews are about 1/5 of ours and we hardly upload.
Want to compare what our client gross was last year with yours?
So when you say we worry we can't win. What exactly are we talking about? Life or here on Wncustomize. You're not even close to being on our level. Man up and admit it. Some kudos on a skin site does not make you a king. It doesn't even mean your good. You're not really good until you have major companies entrusting you to put a face on their products. So go enter your competition cuz that's really what counts... isn't it?
Putting words in our mouths once again? Paste where either Billy or I EVER said we don't care about who uses our work. We spend 8 weeks on a theme because we care. No one spends the amount of time that we do on 1 theme. Alienware Invader took Billy around 10 weeks to create that WMP. So besides obnoxious we can tack on you're a liar.
Sure, we'll stop creating Hyperdesk themes so we can compete against you in a skinning competition haha. Right.
If you really want to compete with me then let's compare real stats. Hyperdesk.com was ranked 65K on Alexa today and we've been live for about 3 days? You don't even have a ranking yesterday. Really burning up the net aren't ya?
On deviantart your pageviews are about 1/5 of ours and we hardly upload.
Want to compare what our client gross was last year with yours?
So when you say we worry we can't win. What exactly are we talking about? Life or here on Wncustomize. You're not even close to being on our level. Man up and admit it. Some kudos on a skin site does not make you a king. It doesn't even mean your good. You're not really good until you have major companies entrusting you to put a face on their products. So go enter your competition cuz that's really what counts... isn't it?
TYCUS
Reply #336 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:45 AM
f.., fun?
this is fun to me:
Reply #336 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:45 AM
Yeah, that's right 'fun'
f.., fun?
this is fun to me:
vStyler
Reply #337 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:45 AM
Reply #337 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:45 AM
But Im not bragging about how succesful I am..you are..
Im just saying .. Im...just.. saying.. put your time\money where your mouth is and prove me wrong...beat me.. skin to skin..
thats all Jeff
Im just saying .. Im...just.. saying.. put your time\money where your mouth is and prove me wrong...beat me.. skin to skin..
thats all Jeff
Bebi Bulma
Reply #338 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:45 AM
Aww Jeff, so mean, you know I wanna have your babies you're just so awesome.
But yes...I collaborated on a Master Skin. Probably because he knew I would give honest feedback, I just have that kind of no-nonsense attitude (and have been told I have an eye for style and design, shrug). Am I a skinner? God no. Do I know how to make anything decent in PS? I'd be kidding myself. But do I know the basics of how a Windowblind is put together? Sure. I've tweaked enough in SKS to find my way around.
As for my function...I'm the "Grand Poobah of the Wiki." Yeah...for the past 4 years or so, on 2 different sites, I've been acting as support, helping people with stuff (IPB in the old days, skinning now). I've had to put up with a LOT of crap from n00bish twit kids over the years when I've just been offering help. Hell, in the past week I've been helping 3 people with their WordPress blogs because I'm familiar with it and they're just getting started (all this on top of my own). I like writing tutorials and explaining how to do all this fun customization stuff geared for the newbs. Why? Because I enjoy having a wicked looking desktop and want to help others feel the joy of it. "Those who can't do...teach," so that's what I try to do.
Reply #338 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:45 AM
Bebi: What exactly do you do here anyway besides insert snide remarks? Do you actually perform a function? Wait you art directed one time right? lol. Was it like... "put the pink thing over there"? I'm sure you were a big help. No doubt.
Aww Jeff, so mean, you know I wanna have your babies you're just so awesome.
But yes...I collaborated on a Master Skin. Probably because he knew I would give honest feedback, I just have that kind of no-nonsense attitude (and have been told I have an eye for style and design, shrug). Am I a skinner? God no. Do I know how to make anything decent in PS? I'd be kidding myself. But do I know the basics of how a Windowblind is put together? Sure. I've tweaked enough in SKS to find my way around.
As for my function...I'm the "Grand Poobah of the Wiki." Yeah...for the past 4 years or so, on 2 different sites, I've been acting as support, helping people with stuff (IPB in the old days, skinning now). I've had to put up with a LOT of crap from n00bish twit kids over the years when I've just been offering help. Hell, in the past week I've been helping 3 people with their WordPress blogs because I'm familiar with it and they're just getting started (all this on top of my own). I like writing tutorials and explaining how to do all this fun customization stuff geared for the newbs. Why? Because I enjoy having a wicked looking desktop and want to help others feel the joy of it. "Those who can't do...teach," so that's what I try to do.
TSF-Jeff
Reply #339 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:46 AM
Reply #339 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:46 AM
You know i tell myself i'm not going to get into a flame war and i just can't leave well enough alone. Okay self control. No more of this petty bulls**t. Only work. Bu bye.
TSF-Jeff
Reply #340 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:49 AM
Reply #340 Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:49 AM
That's right Bebi, you do the wiki. I forgot about that. I remember reading that awhile ago. So you do something. And here i thought they kept you around for that witty repartee
I'd give you a baby, if i wasn't all ready having one in... oh about 7 days.
And here i thought they kept you around for that witty repartee I'd give you a baby, if i wasn't all ready having one in... oh about 7 days.
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Reply #321 Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:25 AM
Certainly seems that way. Never a good business stance to think your customers are too dumb to know any better and thus don't deserve to see everything since "they don't know what all this is anyway."