MS Throws A Cat Amongst The XP Pigeons
I can see feathers flying everywhere.
Sunday, April 6, 2008 by starkers | Discussion: Personal Computing
Well, XP might just be on its last legs after all... according to this PC User article. http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/006751.html
It seems sales of XP will cease as of June 08, except for very low end laptops, etc.... and while it may not be too popular with many, it would seem MS resources are to be focussed on the future/new technology, rather than old OSes it deems to have passed their use by date.
It seems sales of XP will cease as of June 08, except for very low end laptops, etc.... and while it may not be too popular with many, it would seem MS resources are to be focussed on the future/new technology, rather than old OSes it deems to have passed their use by date.
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kona0197
Reply #22 Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:09 AM
I have people saying everyone who says they are happy with Vista is lying as well. I think if you are satisfied with what you use then you are happy with it.
And by the way do not assume to know what others think about their OS...
Reply #22 Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:09 AM
Oh come on, that's an outright lie. No one is or was happy with Windows 98. And if you are (or where) then you have.... issues....
I have people saying everyone who says they are happy with Vista is lying as well. I think if you are satisfied with what you use then you are happy with it.
And by the way do not assume to know what others think about their OS...
starkers
Reply #23 Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:20 PM
These are NOT my predictions! Sure there are people holding on to old OSes and saying that MS will have to prise them from their dead fingers, but the wheels have already been set in motion to discontinue XP manufacture/sales... and tell me where you can still purchase a PC loaded with 95, 98 or W2K!
I had a neighbour who loved 95/98... silly old bugger bought a 2nd PC that came loaded with XP, and within 10 mins of getting it in the door the silly old fossil was replacing XP with another fossil...98 (not even SE).
Thing is, in computer/OS terms, he and others like him will go the way of the dinosaur...
... and several centuries later, one archaeologist says to another: "Oi, come look at this! You're never gonna believe it, but there's a mummified guy here still clutching a Windows 95 disc... and according to carbon dating, Windows 15 would have been around at least 20 years."
Reply #23 Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:20 PM
I doubt your predictions will come true.
These are NOT my predictions! Sure there are people holding on to old OSes and saying that MS will have to prise them from their dead fingers, but the wheels have already been set in motion to discontinue XP manufacture/sales... and tell me where you can still purchase a PC loaded with 95, 98 or W2K!
I had a neighbour who loved 95/98... silly old bugger bought a 2nd PC that came loaded with XP, and within 10 mins of getting it in the door the silly old fossil was replacing XP with another fossil...98 (not even SE).
Thing is, in computer/OS terms, he and others like him will go the way of the dinosaur...
... and several centuries later, one archaeologist says to another: "Oi, come look at this! You're never gonna believe it, but there's a mummified guy here still clutching a Windows 95 disc... and according to carbon dating, Windows 15 would have been around at least 20 years."
kona0197
Reply #24 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:20 PM
Reply #24 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:20 PM
You can't get a PC built with 95, 98 or 2K that is true. You can build a PC and buy a copy of 95, 98 or 2K off Ebay or Pricewatch.
On the same token many corporations will not upgrade from wht they are using vbecause of the expense. They will just find a way to get a 1.2 GHz Dell to run for 20 years.
And by the way I doubt we will ever see Windows 15. At some point I think Linux will take over and MS will fade into the past. Might take a hundred years though.
On the same token many corporations will not upgrade from wht they are using vbecause of the expense. They will just find a way to get a 1.2 GHz Dell to run for 20 years.
And by the way I doubt we will ever see Windows 15. At some point I think Linux will take over and MS will fade into the past. Might take a hundred years though.
kona0197
Reply #25 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:22 PM
Reply #25 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:22 PM
Looks like I'm not allowed to edit...
Sorry about the spelling.
Sorry about the spelling.
Daiwa
Reply #26 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:25 PM
Not so for XP Pro - if I need to replace a rig in my business network after June, that's going to be a real problem. MS needs to acknowledge that many businesses simply can't migrate everything to Vista, which has all kinds of network integration issues, at least according to the IT professional who supports our network - Win2K & XPP coexist without any problems, not so XPP, Win2K & Vista.
Might be time to purchase a few more XPP licenses.
Reply #26 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:25 PM
It's time for XP to go bye-bye.
Not so for XP Pro - if I need to replace a rig in my business network after June, that's going to be a real problem. MS needs to acknowledge that many businesses simply can't migrate everything to Vista, which has all kinds of network integration issues, at least according to the IT professional who supports our network - Win2K & XPP coexist without any problems, not so XPP, Win2K & Vista.
Might be time to purchase a few more XPP licenses.
kona0197
Reply #27 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:31 PM
Reply #27 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:31 PM
By the way Starkers I just looked it up:
Windows 95: $14.50
Windows 98 SE: $38.50
Windows 2000: $68.00
Windows XP Home: $62.50
Windows Vista Home Premium: $75.00
So those numbers are from Pricewatch. I think most people are going to want to save money and not buy Vista as they will have to upgrade hardware as well.
And if MS forces them to buy Vista they still have a choice. It's called OSX or Linux.
Windows 95: $14.50
Windows 98 SE: $38.50
Windows 2000: $68.00
Windows XP Home: $62.50
Windows Vista Home Premium: $75.00
So those numbers are from Pricewatch. I think most people are going to want to save money and not buy Vista as they will have to upgrade hardware as well.
And if MS forces them to buy Vista they still have a choice. It's called OSX or Linux.
eieio
Reply #28 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:35 PM
Reply #28 Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:35 PM
Xp will still be available to System Builders for a while yet. This from MS website
Windows XP Professional
Date of General Availability
December 31, 2001
Direct OEM and Retail License Availability (end date)
June 30, 2008
System Builder License Availability (end date)
January 31, 2009
While the 01/2009 date is for license only, if you've got the media, you've got time.
Also, don't have the link handy, but extended support (patches) is set to run until sometime in 2014, I believe
Windows XP Professional
Date of General Availability
December 31, 2001
Direct OEM and Retail License Availability (end date)
June 30, 2008
System Builder License Availability (end date)
January 31, 2009
While the 01/2009 date is for license only, if you've got the media, you've got time.
Also, don't have the link handy, but extended support (patches) is set to run until sometime in 2014, I believe
kona0197
Reply #29 Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:01 PM
Reply #29 Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:01 PM
I was also thinking that if people are forced to buy Vista we might see more people pirating XP. Assuming of course that XP would no longer be available from any source to buy.
Zellio
Reply #30 Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:48 PM
Reply #30 Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:48 PM
Xp lovers are beginning to remind me of the Amish......
Zellio
Reply #31 Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:54 PM
Reply #31 Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:54 PM
The fact is, those who can't accept change need to get out of the pc market.
The arguments are that people still use Win 98 and 2k.
I think this Valve hardware survey speaks volumes about that:
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
Xp has already killed off any past OS. And Vista is gaining, and will soon kill off it.
Of over 1,200,000 people using Windows Xp, 9,000 use Windows 2k.
The arguments are that people still use Win 98 and 2k.
I think this Valve hardware survey speaks volumes about that:
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
Xp has already killed off any past OS. And Vista is gaining, and will soon kill off it.
Of over 1,200,000 people using Windows Xp, 9,000 use Windows 2k.
Zellio
Reply #32 Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:57 PM
Highly doubtful that these people who would pirate Xp would be interested in advancing technology. They just wanna buy the same type of PC with Xp.
Reply #32 Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:57 PM
I was also thinking that if people are forced to buy Vista we might see more people pirating XP. Assuming of course that XP would no longer be available from any source to buy.
Highly doubtful that these people who would pirate Xp would be interested in advancing technology. They just wanna buy the same type of PC with Xp.
killajosh
Reply #33 Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:00 PM
Yeah that's correct pictoratus. Primary support through 2009, extended support through 2014 (unless something has changed...).
Reply #33 Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:00 PM
Also, don't have the link handy, but extended support (patches) is set to run until sometime in 2014, I believe
Yeah that's correct pictoratus. Primary support through 2009, extended support through 2014 (unless something has changed...).
kona0197
Reply #34 Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:28 PM
Whatever. I could probably dig up a survey that says the exact oppisite. You can't trust everything you read. I know people that swear by Windows 98 and really dislike XP.
Reply #34 Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:28 PM
The arguments are that people still use Win 98 and 2k.
I think this Valve hardware survey speaks volumes about that:
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
Xp has already killed off any past OS. And Vista is gaining, and will soon kill off it.
I think this Valve hardware survey speaks volumes about that:
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
Xp has already killed off any past OS. And Vista is gaining, and will soon kill off it.
Whatever. I could probably dig up a survey that says the exact oppisite. You can't trust everything you read. I know people that swear by Windows 98 and really dislike XP.
Daiwa
Reply #35 Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:21 AM
Reply #35 Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:21 AM
There are very valid reasons for a business, a small business in particular, to stick with what already works well. After all, business needs are application-driven, not OS-driven. If your mission-critical apps require a more advanced OS, then you upgrade; if they don't, you have no compelling business reason to move to a new OS.
Leo the Lion
Reply #37 Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:47 AM
Yep, dinosaurs.......the lot of them. Give me one advantage that 98 has over XP
Yep, Pic that's right.
Those with sense will stick with their speedy, responsive, and non-problematic XP systems and give the bloated over-rated Vista a miss and jump into a much leaner and productive Windows 7
Reply #37 Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:47 AM
I know people that swear by Windows 98 and really dislike XP.
Yep, dinosaurs.......the lot of them. Give me one advantage that 98 has over XP
Also, don't have the link handy, but extended support (patches) is set to run until sometime in 2014, I believe
Yep, Pic that's right.
Those with sense will stick with their speedy, responsive, and non-problematic XP systems and give the bloated over-rated Vista a miss and jump into a much leaner and productive Windows 7
kona0197
Reply #38 Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:01 AM
I never said 98 had any advantages over XP. People just don't like change. So they stick with what they are comfortable with.
My Vista system is speedy, responsive and non problematic. Vista isn't as bloated as you think. You just haven't give Vista with SP1 a fair try I think.
Reply #38 Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:01 AM
Yep, dinosaurs.......the lot of them. Give me one advantage that 98 has over XP
I never said 98 had any advantages over XP. People just don't like change. So they stick with what they are comfortable with.
Those with sense will stick with their speedy, responsive, and non-problematic XP systems and give the bloated over-rated Vista a miss and jump into a much leaner and productive Windows 7
My Vista system is speedy, responsive and non problematic. Vista isn't as bloated as you think. You just haven't give Vista with SP1 a fair try I think.
Daiwa
Reply #39 Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:09 AM
Used to make good golf clubs, too.
Reply #39 Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:09 AM
I have a pole and reel that are made by Daiwa...
Used to make good golf clubs, too.
Pantaleao
Reply #40 Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:36 AM
LOL!!!
Yeah, we all have to keep repeating this same old mantra at each new promise of a new version of the same old problems M$ keeps throwing over us all...
Has M$ ever fulfilled ANY of its marvellous promises???
btw, only the market will tell what will happen to XP and when - in the real business world... 
Reply #40 Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:36 AM
...and MS is looking to offload all that to focus on Vista and future OSes that are/will become more stable and secure...less resource intensive...
LOL!!!
Yeah, we all have to keep repeating this same old mantra at each new promise of a new version of the same old problems M$ keeps throwing over us all...
Has M$ ever fulfilled ANY of its marvellous promises???
btw, only the market will tell what will happen to XP and when - in the real business world...
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Reply #21 Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:37 AM
Oh come on, that's an outright lie. No one is or was happy with Windows 98. And if you are (or where) then you have.... issues....
Also for people wondering why Windows 7 is so close to the beta stage; Think of it as a Windows 2000 to Windows XP phase. Windows 7 is basically focusing on new features and additions to Vista. It will not be as big of a change as XP to Vista, but more like the transition from 2k to XP.