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Wednesday, March 12, 2008 by ShelbyGT_The_Car | Discussion: Wallpapers

Now I know this is a touchy subject with a few members...

But How do we find all those Wallpapers that where not posted to the regular gallery?

I'm always looking for good wallpaper and there is a lot to be found on the regular gallery. Seems though that more than often I never see any of the other wallpapers that are posted to the members gallery. Like ya! Well I could always just run through everyones gallery everyday to see if they did anything new. But WoW! That is a big deal to look at everyone I know here on this site to see if anything got posted.

Maybe if there was a place to have a uploads listings for what and where to find what got posted to who's gallery... That would make it so much better for myself. I think a lot of the members who's artwork was also posted to such personal galleries would like that as well. But that is just an opinon for myself and what I think. [not that good I'm sure]

If someone could come up with a good idea for this I bet it could happen. So let's here it and see if maybe it will get something going for the personal galleries...

Ideas and comments are expected... Please just for the idea only! No hash of how it has affected you personally here in the recnt times or past...  please.

Thank you

Shelby GT   

Philly0381
Reply #1 Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:02 PM
I think what you asking for is a tall order here.  

I too look for walls, I have a list of skinners that I watch using the watch list, (unfortunately not working at the moment). I've been adding to the list as I see something that I like in the main gallery. I'll go to their personal gallery and see if they have something new.

This also applies to any skin, they all don't make it to the main gallery.

If a skinner doesn't have a personal page set up than you won't ever see those that don't make it to the main gallery. If you click on a skinners name and check out their profile a lot of them don't take the time to establish their personal page.

So my suggestion is two fold, people should make a watch list, and skinners need to have their personal page and gallery set up.  





eieio
Reply #2 Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:05 PM
I think that if the Watch feature worked as intended, that would solve the problem you have mentioned, SGT. I mean the Watch a person for skins.

Before watch was disabled, it didn't work ... at all. If I selected a person to watch for skins, I would get approx. a dozen of their skins on my watch page (and not necessarily their most recent) and it wouldn't update if they released something new. The same 10 or 12 skins would still be listed and the only emails I got about notification of a new posting by someone on my watch list were test notifications.

Also if I selected a single item/skin of someone on my watch list to remove it from the list ... meaning I had viewed it already and no longer needed it on the list ... it would remove that person entirely from my list and I would have to re add them. Shouldn't that just remove that single item that's checked and not everything?


If all these were/are fixed when the watch list is re-enabled, it would be a great way to keep updated when someone uploaded a new skin ... assuming uploads that went to their PP triggered a notice the same as an upload going into the main gallery would .. or should. Granted it wouldn't cover everyone's PP but at least you could add whomever you wanted to your watch list.
ShelbyGT_The_Car
Reply #3 Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:47 PM
If all these were/are fixed when the watch list is re-enabled, it would be a great way to keep updated when someone uploaded a new skin ... assuming uploads that went to their PP triggered a notice the same as an upload going into the main gallery would .. or should. Granted it wouldn't cover everyone's PP but at least you could add whomever you wanted to your watch list.


That's what I've been missing and it's been gone so long now... I could not figure it out!
But just like today a new member I never heard of had some stuff posted to his gallery. If I had not noticed him saying something in the forum about it. I'd of never even knew the artist or that he had something posted.
I'm at bay with ideas and heck ya there has to be some better way to do it...I hope?

SGT  
2of3
Reply #4 Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:33 PM
I suppose it's up to the artists to promote their work that gets hidden on their PP. You can also keep an eye on the personal page elite thread (Link).

I for one have given up on submitting wallpapers, because the constant disappointment depresses me.....
WebGizmos
Reply #5 Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:53 PM
In regards to personal pages.

For future references...anyone interested in dock backgrounds created by me should bookmark My Gallery page or add me to they're watch list....which is a good way to watch for any updates of your favorite artists or creators... ( but please give me about a week before you do so though so your not flooded with false update notifications since I have several hundred to move yet).

I'm moving my docks to my "personal pages" since they are not being supported in the OD+ library...so I am surrendering the OD+ library to the icon/pngs. If they should ever give the dock backgrounds the library they deserve I will move them there...but until then they will reside on my personal pages as well as any new docks I might do.
eieio
Reply #6 Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:00 PM
anyone interested in dock backgrounds created by me should bookmark My Gallery page or add me to they're watch list


Bookmarked ... watchlist is still borked ... just tried to remove one item; it removed everything by that artist and the artist from my skins watchlist   
WebGizmos
Reply #7 Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:10 PM
Bookmarked ... watchlist is still borked ... just tried to remove one item; it removed everything by that artist and the artist from my skins watchlist

Dontcha just love that!

And Shelby...hope you don't think I was hijacking your post here. It was about personal pages so I figured it applied.
Frankief
Reply #8 Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:10 AM
I am truly amazed at the long time members here that have not set up their personal pages properly. I don't know if it is apathy or lack of knowledge that prevails but there are so many that I would like to browse their gallery or add to favorite but can't because their personal page isn't set up. It certainly would help to keep track of folks if the watch list functioned correctly. (
ShelbyGT_The_Car
Reply #9 Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:16 AM
No problem Webgizmos we fully understand the ups and downs for this thing with the galleries.
Seems you have hit the nail on the head. With the way to let people know by posting here in the forums. Then we get some kind of notice for what is going on with their personal pages [gallery].
Just did not think of that... really good idea too! {Like a never ending thread almost?...!}
Thanks WebGizmos!

SGT  
WebGizmos
Reply #10 Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:24 AM
Just did not think of that


Cool Shelby!

I hadn't thought about it either until you made this post! The only problem with keeping stuff on your personal pages though is that casual visitors won't get to see our stuff since a lot of people don't know they exist...no real links on the site for them. But hopefully word will get around.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #11 Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:54 AM
Advertise, Get the word out !!!.. In your skins comments, add something like.

( Like my work? Well then vist my WC Personal Site, there's plenty more stuff there. http://hg-eliminator.wincustomize.com/ )


If you add that to each Item you upload, you will increase your PPs traffic

You could even possibly use the PPE badge as a button to link thru.

Stir some excitement and spread the word


I also think adding a sub gallery filter of personal page submissions to like the walpapers, would be a Great idea. The user then can choose to open a sub section listing all the Wallpapers that have been sent to PP's. Like we can with the Holiday,Scenery and such filters. Not sure if it is fees able...but an interesting idea


WebGizmos
Reply #12 Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:02 AM
I've always have links to my personal page/gallery on my uploads HG. I just decided the OD library isn't supporting dock backgrounds...go figure...so I'm just moving them to my personal page...they aren't being seen in the library anyway...so the icon/pngs can have it. Because when I think ObjectDock...I think icon/pngs!
Lantec
Reply #13 Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:24 AM
I made this suggestion in another thread........

Maybe the next site rendition could have a "Personal Page of the Day" to highlight those with substantial galleries. Have it automated so an individual could request being highlighted and that would add him to the que.


No reason it couldn't be "Pages" of the day and get like 5 pages posted.

The other thing uploaders can do is add Tags to their work. That way a search by tag will find it and others like it wherever it may be on the site.

ShelbyGT_The_Car
Reply #14 Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:38 AM
Alright I'm gona break the ice a bit more...
Here it goes...!
I was just hanging out online the other day and an old friend of mine shows up. [no names...]
Well he is an old time favorite artist of mine and does some of the best artwork I've ever seen.
So I ask what he has been doing and he shows me his personl gallery. Thus I wondered " what the hell is going on with this here? Why is your work being sent to your personal gallery I asked? He says well it was rejected from the regular gallery. I said you got to be kidding me!" All of his work is done completely with photoshop and to boot that he is a listed photoshop expert with Adobe. It blew me away when work as good as that was placed in the personal gallery where I did not even now it was there till he told me about it. That and being that there is so much other work I see on a regular basis in the regular galley. Which is none other than just photo manipulation or render through graphics engines. No true hard work with layers and tools in exact form with photoshop. [ Which I consider to be true works of art! ] Not to say there is not some there as with said artist like Vlad or Adni18. Many others also ... but my point was lost with this person as to why all of his new postings where being sent to his personal gallery. Oh and one more thing " He really did not care what happened here on WC anyway. Being that he was getting better results with art sites like Deviantart and the like. "

Myself here lately I've not been using much of the wallpaper placed in the regular gallery. Seems to be always the same artist with the same kind of stuff all the time. So I resort to using wallpaper from art sites like Inter Facelift and Stock Exchange. That or some that I have created here for myself and not posted anywhere at all.

But my true point is this here " Hell I hate to be missing some new artist I never heard of yet due to the fact his work is placed in a personal gallery.
My true idea is this " We always seem to be able to start up a new gallery in the main page if we have 20 or so postings there to be put up for others to see. Why can't we have a new postings library for the personal galleries. Where it allows for so much of just the new postings to be placed there as like links to those personal galleries with a said thumbnail shot and the like as would be in any other gallery. Thus as new stuff is posted the older postings are removed to make place for the new. It would only take about three pages for that maybe? [ unless someone like Webgizmos post a new gallery completely] oh man... But...
It is just an idea for some resolution to the problem of being able to see everything that is on this site at a glance without having to blunder around to links and pages with almost all the same stuff everyday. For seemingly there are some that are not posting because of it also and that really makes it bad.
I'm not going to compare sites or nothing either. But if you look at some of the other large art sites. They do have a new postings page and it usually links with a personal gallery. That really looks good and the members at the site really like it a lot also.

Then we have this thing as what is called in this forum as " Lets blame it on the moderator! " Oh man give me a break... These guys do this stuff for free service to the site for everyone. They have a really hard job too doing this. They get the blame and as I see it the flames in doing so. Ya right - lets see how good anyone else would be at it. They would do the same or worse. More likely even worse.
The Mods do their very best I know. But could we not give them some tools? Like maybe a community effort to rate personal galleries. That may have an artwork that would be nice to have placed or lets change that word to " presented " into the regular gallery. Thus after said community ratings said artwork is asked by moderator to be placed in the regular gallery by sending notice to said artist.
" Heck - I'd like to get one of those notices!"
So then you got a place where everyone can see or find what is being posted to whoevers gallery and if it is any good. Plus in the same place you have a rating for if it is good enough for the regular gallery. But also that leaves it to where we as the community works together with our moderators to help them pick out what everyone sees as being a good work of art. The community helps it's moderators work toward having the better artwork for the better art site. ...

Well there it is I broke the ice a bit. Next time I'll get a bigger hammer out and see if I can get the glacier to move some. But I hope none of this steps on anyones toes too hard. If so - hey sorry man... just my really so called idea though to help find away to fix this thing better. Better than having someone I know of try and get away from other hard work he is doing to address the other problems with stuff not working on the site. But he will get things done no matter I'm sure.
Just really hope this happens. It could make this a really good place where we get to see everything at a glance and not have to spend all my time figuring where and who to search for new stuff all the time.

that's it.. for me today.
Thank you and keep trying...

SGT  
ZubaZ
Reply #15 Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:59 AM
Zoomba and I were talking the other day about the social networking movement and how that could apply to WC.

Wouldn't it be very cool if after a user has rated a few walls WC compared your ratings to other users ratings and the tags for those well rated skins and then displayed skin you "might" like?

Once that is achieved you might be introduced to new artists or submissions that you would never have  known before whether they were in the main gallery or not!

Believe it or not . . (please believe it) . . all of us, everyone, wants WC to improve and grow and succeed for the users and the artist and  . . well everyone. 

Now I don't know if the above suggestion is possible or probable or cost effective  . . but it's one more idea that is trying to make WC better.

SGT, thanks for making this post.  Everyone . . thanks for the other suggestions.  I support having a "sig" if you will to personal pages.  Why not?  I like the idea of the community lobbying for a wall to be moved to the main gallery (if a pp).  [Although I can see this getting abused quickly and people getting as upset or more if the mods don't make the move].

I like the idea of a page that lists All the submissions for the day, seperate from the main gallery.  Maybe just a linked list if teh whole gallery interface is not possie.

Another option . . . and one that may be unpopular too . . is more rigourous rating and a emphisis on the feature where you only see items over a certain rating.  So what went to the personal pages stays in the main gallery with a one-star rating where it might have gotten a 2.5 on the personal page.  Then the user has more control of what they see and are less likely to see items that the mods deem personal page material.

Again . . good dialog!
2of3
Reply #16 Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:32 AM
Another option . . . and one that may be unpopular too . . is more rigourous rating and a emphisis on the feature where you only see items over a certain rating. So what went to the personal pages stays in the main gallery with a one-star rating where it might have gotten a 2.5 on the personal page. Then the user has more control of what they see and are less likely to see items that the mods deem personal page material.


I personally like this option. Of course I WAY biased on the subject

The general opinion has been: keep the wallpaper gallery high quality by being strict about what gets put into the main gallery. This is a good practice, which I support. But as I've seen wallpapers with a 1 and 2 star rating in the main gallery lately , I start to wonder...
ZubaZ
Reply #17 Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:48 AM
But as I've seen wallpapers with a 1 and 2 star rating in the main gallery lately , I start to wonder...
Unless something is broken, you should be able to go to your settings page (https://www.wincustomize.com/myaccount.aspx) and set what rating of submission you want to see.

Zoomba
Reply #18 Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:50 AM

We've been discussing better ways to handle content moderation & the presentation of content to users for the next major site update.  We want to place much more control in the hands of the individual users as to what content they see on their screens.  Better integration of the Personal Pages with the rest of the site, filter settings, a change to how we moderate and separate out content have all been discussed.

It's just not a quick fix or addition to the site though, and when we do it, we want to make sure we do it right.  There's nothing to gain with a half-assed implementation.

As for watchlists, those are coming back, we've said that a few times before.  It's on the list of features to reenable in the near future. 

eieio
Reply #19 Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:40 PM
It's on the list of features to reenable in the near future.


Good news! But please .. fix them so they work   
ShelbyGT_The_Car
Reply #20 Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:06 PM
Unless something is broken, you should be able to go to your settings page (https://www.wincustomize.com/myaccount.aspx) and set what rating of submission you want to see.


Zubaz I have always had mine set for all ratings. Which is what I like to see. I'm not really much into the ratings thingy. But into what I can find and how do I find it.[?]

As for watchlists, those are coming back, we've said that a few times before. It's on the list of features to reenable in the near future.


Thank you Zoomba for helping to insure that these features are in the works. We all need them and would love to see everything work as it should. Plus I completely understand it is no quick fix either.

Now I don't know if the above suggestion is possible or probable or cost effective . . but it's one more idea that is trying to make WC better.

SGT, thanks for making this post. Everyone . . thanks for the other suggestions. I support having a "sig" if you will to personal pages. Why not? I like the idea of the community lobbying for a wall to be moved to the main gallery (if a pp). [Although I can see this getting abused quickly and people getting as upset or more if the mods don't make the move].

I like the idea of a page that lists All the submissions for the day, seperate from the main gallery. Maybe just a linked list if teh whole gallery interface is not possie.


I completely agree Zubaz - My main reason for doing this is to have a bit of community involvement for the rating system of a sort. Plus to try and give our moderators the tools to help them see what other people here at the site may want also.
I completely understand it may be a bit more than what we may be able to do at this site. Being the way the system is setup to run as it is. But as I wrote " just another idea only "...
I'm just doing something here to try to help find an answer to things in some simple way. I do not want it to get to far fetched or carried away with the wrong thing either. If we can all try to help out with something then maybe there is an answer to all of this that is within reach. Meaning that it is cost effective and not too much of a problem to accomplish. All these things we all completely understand and do not take me wrong by starting this thread to raise the wrong ideas.
My complete interest in all of this is to help myself and others see what is here at this site for them. Plus to aid the people resposible for keeping this site in tune. Meaning moderators and all that are involved to keep it in a working order. [ or something like that anyway?...]

But whatever you guys come up with that works I'm game. But ya there are always gona be those that do not agree. We can only try to change or help things change to see if we can get a better result. If and I say "If" there is a way to do so effectively.

Thank you both Zubaz and Zoomba for your help in this idea. I just hope it goes some place and has a good result. Of whatever that maybe - for that is saying things are going to be better no matter here in the short term future.

SGT  

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