WHY was the thread locked?
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 by PoSmedley | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Why was the 'Does anyone read the rules ?' thread locked?
What happened to no more locking threads?
What happened to all that was said, not 4 months ago?
There was a conversation taking place. At the very least, some people got to blow off steam, but it was a conversation with no threats that we were told we could have openly and freely in the forums.
What happened to no more locking threads?
What happened to all that was said, not 4 months ago?
The point is we WANT people to be able to have different opinions.
But here's the point: In an OPEN community such as ours, we have the right to disagree. Do I make myself clear: You have the right to an opinion and someone else has the right to disagree with your opinion.
I think you have every right to voice your concern.
the point isn't whether I agree or not, it is that we have an atmosphere where people feel free to voice their opinions
We want to have a community site in which people are free to *discuss* issues that concern them
close the site before I'd allow it to become a place where only "valuable members" get to have a say on how the site is run.
If someone disagrees with a policy of the site, a decision of the moderators, or has a problem with a user, let it be discussed civily and openly without someone commanding others to adhere to their demands lest they take their things and go. Because that time is over now.
There was a conversation taking place. At the very least, some people got to blow off steam, but it was a conversation with no threats that we were told we could have openly and freely in the forums.
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boss0190
Reply #62 Friday, June 8, 2007 6:11 PM
Reply #62 Friday, June 8, 2007 6:11 PM
A semi-crazy Boss is better than no Boss? 
Thanks rob! 
Thanks rob! 
sydneysiders
Reply #63 Friday, June 8, 2007 8:30 PM
yep!!......
Reply #63 Friday, June 8, 2007 8:30 PM
A semi-crazy Boss is better than no Boss?
yep!!......
MySecret
Reply #68 Saturday, June 9, 2007 6:01 AM
It's My Secret
Reply #68 Saturday, June 9, 2007 6:01 AM
A semi-crazy Boss is better than no Boss?
It's My Secret
vStyler
Reply #69 Saturday, June 9, 2007 7:44 PM
Reply #69 Saturday, June 9, 2007 7:44 PM
If Boss's level hasn't yet been re-instated, I for one am for it. From what I hear from other skinners he is a very good skinner.. and as has been said.. everyone has an "oogey" day at one point or another. I vote for burying it.
sydneysiders
Reply #70 Saturday, June 9, 2007 9:29 PM
Would have thought it should already have happened.....maybe just a weekend oversite....
...and all around good dude and teacher.....
Reply #70 Saturday, June 9, 2007 9:29 PM
Therefore your access level has been reduced to visitor until you show genuine regret for your actions.
Would have thought it should already have happened.....maybe just a weekend oversite....
From what I hear from other skinners he is a very good skinner..
...and all around good dude and teacher.....
Jafo
Reply #71 Saturday, June 9, 2007 9:49 PM
Reply #71 Saturday, June 9, 2007 9:49 PM
Would have thought it should already have happened.....
Done and dusted. Past history....
PoSmedley
Reply #72 Saturday, June 9, 2007 10:21 PM
Reply #72 Saturday, June 9, 2007 10:21 PM
Back to topic....
Part of what lead to this had to do with RIPS, fan art, copyright info, etc....
I have to ask, unfortunately...
A while ago I submitted a wall that featured 'my' version of the Deviantart logo and the 'Fella'...not cut and paste..my own interpretations. It was rejected and I recieved an email asking me to kindly get permission from DA to use the images. This happened with my 'Fella Cursor', and I got the permission and re-uploaded. With this wall, I just said the hell with it and let it go. Because I don't understand. I understand they are logo's, trademarks, copyright, etc. But, here is why I keep bringing this up.
Isn't it also fan art? Just like Captain America and Green Lantern, who's images, costumes and logos are trademarks and copyright protected? So where is the permission for these windowblinds? I may not know about DA, but aren't the license permissions for DC and Marvel characters and logo's bought, purchased, and granted for use? For example..Toys, games, Burger King's right to paste Spiderman on a paper cup...companies pay to be able to use those images and names. We couldn't upload WB's of college football teams or pro-hockey teams...and SD had to get permission to do so in order to 'sell' them. And where does the word 'fan' apply better than in sports.
How is all of this defined? I get frustrated when the rules seem to apply here but not there..or to this person but not that person. Are they clearly stated somewhere and I am just missing it, because I know you all have to be frustrated hearing me go on about this. When is it fan art and NOT copyright or trademark protected?
Part of what lead to this had to do with RIPS, fan art, copyright info, etc....
I have to ask, unfortunately...
A while ago I submitted a wall that featured 'my' version of the Deviantart logo and the 'Fella'...not cut and paste..my own interpretations. It was rejected and I recieved an email asking me to kindly get permission from DA to use the images. This happened with my 'Fella Cursor', and I got the permission and re-uploaded. With this wall, I just said the hell with it and let it go. Because I don't understand. I understand they are logo's, trademarks, copyright, etc. But, here is why I keep bringing this up.
Isn't it also fan art? Just like Captain America and Green Lantern, who's images, costumes and logos are trademarks and copyright protected? So where is the permission for these windowblinds? I may not know about DA, but aren't the license permissions for DC and Marvel characters and logo's bought, purchased, and granted for use? For example..Toys, games, Burger King's right to paste Spiderman on a paper cup...companies pay to be able to use those images and names. We couldn't upload WB's of college football teams or pro-hockey teams...and SD had to get permission to do so in order to 'sell' them. And where does the word 'fan' apply better than in sports.
How is all of this defined? I get frustrated when the rules seem to apply here but not there..or to this person but not that person. Are they clearly stated somewhere and I am just missing it, because I know you all have to be frustrated hearing me go on about this. When is it fan art and NOT copyright or trademark protected?
Jafo
Reply #73 Saturday, June 9, 2007 10:53 PM
Reply #73 Saturday, June 9, 2007 10:53 PM
because I know you all have to be frustrated hearing me go on about this.
Yes....
'Fan art' is a legal argument, not a right and is about as good as the lawyers for the company demanding their property protection rights.
Same goes for 'fair use'. It too is not cut and dried - chiselled in stone, but is an interpretation open to argument.....[keeps those lawyers employed].
This being the case, each and every website attempting to apply/abide by such wobbly rules does the best it deems appropriate.
What that means is by and large it/they become the sort of decision that the site members must grin and bear, or, if they so presume superior acumen regarding said interpretation/s they are free to create their own site and publicly extol its virtues of copyright/fair-use/fan-art/trade-dress/reg'd trademark/logo handling as an example to all.
About the only thing that IS definite...is that when contacted by the company concerned, any requests for content removal will be heeded [provided such request is seen to be unilateral and not confined only to Wincustomize.com - something which did occur with Kol's Vista WB - originally]...
sydneysiders
Reply #74 Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:08 AM
as it seems to be the afternoon (here) for annoying Jafo.........Boss is showing Citizen.....not Journeyman....
Reply #74 Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:08 AM
Done and dusted. Past history....
as it seems to be the afternoon (here) for annoying Jafo.........Boss is showing Citizen.....not Journeyman....
Jafo
Reply #75 Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:26 AM
Reply #75 Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:26 AM
as it seems to be the afternoon (here) for annoying Jafo.........Boss is showing Citizen.....not Journeyman
Yes, on both counts....
Fairyy~
Reply #77 Monday, June 11, 2007 10:21 AM
PO' : A while ago I submitted a wall that featured 'my' version of the Deviantart logo and the 'Fella'...not cut and paste..my own interpretations. It was rejected and I recieved an email asking me to kindly get permission from DA to use the images. This happened with my 'Fella Cursor', and I got the permission and re-uploaded. With this wall, I just said the hell with it and let it go. Because I don't understand. I understand they are logo's, trademarks, copyright, etc. But, here is why I keep bringing this up.
See..this is why it gets confusing...if I were to upload an ' iffy ' skin I was unsure of ...I'd simply scan WC Libraries before doing so.
But...
Just seems like you can't win either way...I know I have seen the DA " Fella " used before at WC. I have a wall by APB from 2 years ago. There are also Several Da Fella Icons etc..
" Fella " by APB
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=23296&libid=8
Icons:
" da Fella" by sleeping dragon
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=9337&libid=29
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=1949&libid=39
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=9341&libid=29
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=1954&libid=39
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=1956&libid=39
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=9348&libid=29
Reply #77 Monday, June 11, 2007 10:21 AM
PO' : A while ago I submitted a wall that featured 'my' version of the Deviantart logo and the 'Fella'...not cut and paste..my own interpretations. It was rejected and I recieved an email asking me to kindly get permission from DA to use the images. This happened with my 'Fella Cursor', and I got the permission and re-uploaded. With this wall, I just said the hell with it and let it go. Because I don't understand. I understand they are logo's, trademarks, copyright, etc. But, here is why I keep bringing this up.
I get frustrated when the rules seem to apply here but not there..or to this person but not that person. Are they clearly stated somewhere and I am just missing it, because I know you all have to be frustrated hearing me go on about this.
See..this is why it gets confusing...if I were to upload an ' iffy ' skin I was unsure of ...I'd simply scan WC Libraries before doing so.
But...
Just seems like you can't win either way...I know I have seen the DA " Fella " used before at WC. I have a wall by APB from 2 years ago. There are also Several Da Fella Icons etc..
" Fella " by APB
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=23296&libid=8
Icons:
" da Fella" by sleeping dragon
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=9337&libid=29
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=1949&libid=39
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=9341&libid=29
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=1954&libid=39
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=1956&libid=39
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=9348&libid=29
Fairyy~
Reply #79 Monday, June 11, 2007 10:59 AM
So what are you saying ? No permission from DA is required ?
Reply #79 Monday, June 11, 2007 10:59 AM
i guess you need to see this DA Fella
So what are you saying ? No permission from DA is required ?
ArileenDesign
Reply #80 Monday, June 11, 2007 11:13 AM
i just said that depend where you take the graphics
look at his main page and the comment in the deviation his graphics are base on this one
he allow us to use it at certain condition:
"I'd love to see anything made using this.
Please leave a link in a comment if you use it"
So the only thing i said it's that in all case (not only this one) people can have some permissions to use some graphics and the role of moderators is not so simple.
Take this one how many of us knew this deviation and those of Jark (i guess some of the "olders" yes)
Reply #80 Monday, June 11, 2007 11:13 AM
So what are you saying ? No permission from DA is required ?
i just said that depend where you take the graphics
look at his main page and the comment in the deviation his graphics are base on this one
he allow us to use it at certain condition:
"I'd love to see anything made using this.
Please leave a link in a comment if you use it"
So the only thing i said it's that in all case (not only this one) people can have some permissions to use some graphics and the role of moderators is not so simple.
Take this one how many of us knew this deviation and those of Jark (i guess some of the "olders" yes)
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Reply #61 Friday, June 8, 2007 5:31 PM