Request: Try before you buy.
Watermark,time demo,feature limits?
Friday, May 18, 2007 by coggy9 | Discussion: DreamScenes
Will and/or can Stardock let us try the dreams before we buy?(please let us!)
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Tripdog
Reply #22 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:59 AM
Reply #22 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:59 AM
but if we try the free ones which are not yours then is that like saying that you really want Windows but hey go try the Mac and if you don't like it come and buy Windows...you put some really good dynamic dreams out there for us to try and evaluate and then you can charge since they are yours...you are saying that if someone elses dream doesn't work then I should not buy yours...now that has got to be the best business practice i have ever seen....give credit to the people who make dreams and don't make it seem as though your dreams are above theirs.......
ZubaZ
Reply #23 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:09 AM
Reply #23 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:09 AM
Try the free ones by Stardock Design. So far they are the only folks selling dreams I think.
Paul van Zyl
Reply #24 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:58 PM
Reply #24 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:58 PM
I've purchased all of Stardock's dreams except the Wallpaper Changer and the Shapes one, but I plan to add these two soon to my collection (just waiting to see if the wallpaper changer one will be updated to use multiple folders or if there will be a new one which will not be an update that will be released). I can therefore attest that it is really worth the few dollars they ask for it.
A few years ago I read from a developer /affiliate in the Regnow forums that TBYB is not such an good idea from a selling point of view, because people buy on impulse. A small developer who's website does not receive much traffic do not have much of a choice as to go the TBYB option, but other sites that draw much traffic will do much better selling directly. There was one guy that was totally against it and he engouraged other developers to rather give a 30 day money back guarantee instead of TBYB. From this guy's position in the sales ranks it was obvious that he had a point as he made more money in one day than what others made in months. So if I was in Stardock position I would also not consider TBYB for such an small dollar value product.
Zubaz I see that you say you "think" Stardock is the only folks selling dreams. Are other people who is creating dreams allowed to sell it from their own website? If I spend a few weeks creating a dream I would prefer to sell it. I fix a lot of other peoples PC's for free and spend hours sorting out their computer problems so I think I'm doing my part when it comes to free.
A few years ago I read from a developer /affiliate in the Regnow forums that TBYB is not such an good idea from a selling point of view, because people buy on impulse. A small developer who's website does not receive much traffic do not have much of a choice as to go the TBYB option, but other sites that draw much traffic will do much better selling directly. There was one guy that was totally against it and he engouraged other developers to rather give a 30 day money back guarantee instead of TBYB. From this guy's position in the sales ranks it was obvious that he had a point as he made more money in one day than what others made in months. So if I was in Stardock position I would also not consider TBYB for such an small dollar value product.
Zubaz I see that you say you "think" Stardock is the only folks selling dreams. Are other people who is creating dreams allowed to sell it from their own website? If I spend a few weeks creating a dream I would prefer to sell it. I fix a lot of other peoples PC's for free and spend hours sorting out their computer problems so I think I'm doing my part when it comes to free.
Yosmel
Reply #25 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:14 PM
Reply #25 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:14 PM
If you contribute a good amount of content to this website you will eventually earn the Master rank, which will allow you to sell your dreams through this website much like Stardock is doing right now.
vStyler
Reply #26 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:34 PM
you could start your own site.
Reply #26 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:34 PM
If I spend a few weeks creating a dream I would prefer to sell it.
you could start your own site.
ZubaZ
Reply #27 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:52 PM
Many of the artists and coders here sell their content at their own sites. I've seen people over the years give away one version and sell a more advanced version elsewhere.
I have to say though that in addition to having its own intrinsic value, another advantage of doing the time and becoming a Master is the traffic this site has in generating sales for the Master skinners. It's worth the effort in lots of ways.
Any Master can sell their Dreams (or any other skin) here. Stardock Designs is the only one doing it so far.
Reply #27 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:52 PM
Zubaz I see that you say you "think" Stardock is the only folks selling dreams. Are other people who is creating dreams allowed to sell it from their own website? If I spend a few weeks creating a dream I would prefer to sell it.
Many of the artists and coders here sell their content at their own sites. I've seen people over the years give away one version and sell a more advanced version elsewhere.
I have to say though that in addition to having its own intrinsic value, another advantage of doing the time and becoming a Master is the traffic this site has in generating sales for the Master skinners. It's worth the effort in lots of ways.
Any Master can sell their Dreams (or any other skin) here. Stardock Designs is the only one doing it so far.
travlingtexanman
Reply #28 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:23 PM
Reply #28 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:23 PM
These are all good points, but take the earth dream for instance. I bought the earth dream because it looked great. but it has a bug, it does not turn off when a laptop goes onto battery. All the other dreams, including blissfulldream, the new dynamic one, turn off when the computer goes to battery, but earth does not. this is a clear bugt in the dream. Now i am stuck with the purchase, even though i cant really use it because i cant risk forgetting to turn it off and losing my battery to fast. Had i been able to try it i could have seen it did not work the way it should, and not bought it.
Your reasoning that i can judge your pay for dreams by the others does not hold water in this example because your others work fine. It is just the one i bought that has this issue. To be perfectly honist, i think i should beable to get a refund because it does not opperate the way dreams are being advertised, as something that respects power settings.
Your reasoning that i can judge your pay for dreams by the others does not hold water in this example because your others work fine. It is just the one i bought that has this issue. To be perfectly honist, i think i should beable to get a refund because it does not opperate the way dreams are being advertised, as something that respects power settings.
ZubaZ
Reply #29 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:58 PM
Contact [email protected] to report the bug. If they cannot help you contact [email protected] to see how they can help you with a refund. I hope it won't be necessary.
Reply #29 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:58 PM
To be perfectly honist, i think i should beable to get a refund because it does not opperate the way dreams are being advertised, as something that respects power settings.
Contact [email protected] to report the bug. If they cannot help you contact [email protected] to see how they can help you with a refund. I hope it won't be necessary.
Frogboy
Reply #30 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:47 AM
Reply #30 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:47 AM
The next version of DeskScapes will have more power options for laptops. It's not a bug in Desktop Earth.
travlingtexanman
Reply #31 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:47 PM
Reply #31 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:47 PM
if it is not a bug in desktop earth, why is desktop earth the only one that does it? blissfull dream turns off when the power is cut. it too is dynamic, so it cant be just the dynamic ones. Why is desktop earth the only one effected.
Yosmel
Reply #32 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:23 PM
Reply #32 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:23 PM
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here, but technically Blissful Dream isn't "dynamic" in the way that some people may be thinking. Blissful dream is only a regular old dream with time triggers built into it. Sure, this may be called dynamic (and indeed it is), but there is a big difference from this and dreams such as Desktop Earth and Desktop Collage.
Desktop Earth, for example, is completely rendered from your video card on the fly when you select it. All it is is a 3D rendered object that sits on your desktop, and since no video,looping or encoding of any kind is involved, we see a MUCH lower CPU usage. Due to this fact there is also absolutely no issues as far as your monitor's resolution, since the video card will be able to render it to whatever it is you desire (granted the video card has the horse power).
Blissful Dream is in no way the same. Blissful dream IS indeed a video file that was made to loop and was encoded with very specific details and at a specific resolution. Just about the ONLY thing that makes Blissful Dream even remotely "dynamic" is the fact that it has time trigger capabilities, but please understand the differences between the dynamic of desktop earth and the dynamic of blissful dream - it is quite large!
As I noted at the beginning of this post, PLEASE correct me on ANYTHING that I stated incorrectly above. I am saying all of this based on very little fact, and mostly my own speculation gathered from experience and knowledge. All I want to do is help clear this one up, since I've seen several people confused on the matter.
Desktop Earth, for example, is completely rendered from your video card on the fly when you select it. All it is is a 3D rendered object that sits on your desktop, and since no video,looping or encoding of any kind is involved, we see a MUCH lower CPU usage. Due to this fact there is also absolutely no issues as far as your monitor's resolution, since the video card will be able to render it to whatever it is you desire (granted the video card has the horse power).
Blissful Dream is in no way the same. Blissful dream IS indeed a video file that was made to loop and was encoded with very specific details and at a specific resolution. Just about the ONLY thing that makes Blissful Dream even remotely "dynamic" is the fact that it has time trigger capabilities, but please understand the differences between the dynamic of desktop earth and the dynamic of blissful dream - it is quite large!
As I noted at the beginning of this post, PLEASE correct me on ANYTHING that I stated incorrectly above. I am saying all of this based on very little fact, and mostly my own speculation gathered from experience and knowledge. All I want to do is help clear this one up, since I've seen several people confused on the matter.
travlingtexanman
Reply #33 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:20 PM
Reply #33 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:20 PM
you may be right, and if that is the case, great. either way, if there is a difference, that is fine, and that would explain the issue. I am not complaining, i just want to understand it.
Yosmel
Reply #34 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:37 PM
Reply #34 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:37 PM
Glad I could be of help then, however small it may have been
travlingtexanman
Reply #35 Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:19 AM
Reply #35 Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:19 AM
well any ways to get back on subject. I like the idea of a 10 day money back guarentee. If putting in some try before you buy option is not feesable, then how about a money back guarentee. is that possible? since things like desktop earth have to be activated already, maby you could make it activate twice, once the first time, than once 10 days later, and if they have returned it, boom, it does not activate correctly. That would be a nice way to let us see the thing.
ZubaZ
Reply #36 Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:38 AM
Reply #36 Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:38 AM
I like the idea of a 10 day money back guarentee.
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vStyler
Reply #37 Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:40 AM
Logistically double activating something sounds like a nightmare. There really is no easy solution to this other than.. if 5-10 bucks is going to stress you out.. don't take the plunge.
Reply #37 Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:40 AM
That would be a nice way to let us see the thing.
Logistically double activating something sounds like a nightmare. There really is no easy solution to this other than.. if 5-10 bucks is going to stress you out.. don't take the plunge.
NGTV
Reply #38 Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:01 AM
you could start your own site.
LUUUUUDRRRRRRICIOUS!
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SD, what about something akin to Xbox Live Marketplace, the world's current best TBYB microtransaction service? The download is exactly the same, but for example, you get watermarks and 2 days of grace periods before being denied access if you don't activate through Stardock Central (Or Deskscapes itself in that matter).
Logistically it would be easy, and a coulple of "buy me now" ads would make the proposal sweeter (I'm still saving up for daily fixes of premium coffee, so not yet.)
Reply #38 Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:01 AM
If I spend a few weeks creating a dream I would prefer to sell it.
you could start your own site.
LUUUUUDRRRRRRICIOUS!
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SD, what about something akin to Xbox Live Marketplace, the world's current best TBYB microtransaction service? The download is exactly the same, but for example, you get watermarks and 2 days of grace periods before being denied access if you don't activate through Stardock Central (Or Deskscapes itself in that matter).
Logistically it would be easy, and a coulple of "buy me now" ads would make the proposal sweeter (I'm still saving up for daily fixes of premium coffee, so not yet.
)
Jafo
Reply #39 Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:36 AM
Reply #39 Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:36 AM
LUUUUUDRRRRRRICIOUS!
Taking out the multiples still has me lost.....Ludricious? ....
NGTV
Reply #40 Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:42 AM
D= That word used to exist. With magic mushrooms too!
Reply #40 Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:42 AM
LUUUUUDRRRRRRICIOUS!
Taking out the multiples still has me lost.....Ludricious? ....
D= That word used to exist. With magic mushrooms too!
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Reply #21 Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:57 AM