Reserving edge screen for dock, not including the tabs?
Wednesday, February 28, 2007 by jimmyyy | Discussion: Docks
I'm near done designing some tabbed docks, i notice that when i move any tabbed dock to the edge of the screen they want to automatically dock as a drawer, is this normal? Ok then i select reserve edge of screen, and they unhide.
(now i notice this on all tabbed docks)
OD+ is reserving the edge of the screen from where tabs end. When i want it to reserve from just the dock itself, not including the tabs. That way i wont have all that waisted area of the screen just for tabs.
am i missing something?
(now i notice this on all tabbed docks)
OD+ is reserving the edge of the screen from where tabs end. When i want it to reserve from just the dock itself, not including the tabs. That way i wont have all that waisted area of the screen just for tabs.
am i missing something?
Lantec
Reply #2 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:39 AM
yes, that's normal.
no, you can't do that.
I have a thought for a workaround but I haven't tried it. If you assign a standard dock to the same location but include only one transparent link (to nothing) and set it to have reserved space and be below your tabbed dock which is not set for reserved space.......do you see where I'm going.......you can keep changing the size of the standard dock icons until you have the "correct" amount of reserved space for your tabbed dock.
Reply #2 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:39 AM
automatically dock as a drawer, is this normal?
yes, that's normal.
When i want it to reserve from just the dock itself, not including the tabs.
no, you can't do that.
I have a thought for a workaround but I haven't tried it. If you assign a standard dock to the same location but include only one transparent link (to nothing) and set it to have reserved space and be below your tabbed dock which is not set for reserved space.......do you see where I'm going.......you can keep changing the size of the standard dock icons until you have the "correct" amount of reserved space for your tabbed dock.
jimmyyy
Reply #3 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:00 AM
Reply #3 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:00 AM
Sir Lantec,
See thats an idea i tryd too, because i actually have a non-tabbed dock on the same edge. But as soon as i uncheck "reserve edge of screen" with the tabbed dock it immediately pushes off the edge about a half inch. Its like it wont visibly sit on the edge of the screen without having reserve edge checked.
Hi, MySecret.
nice to hear, that should look tight. I also tyring my hand at tabbed dock, if you use them (soon) Still contemplating the leather thing.
See thats an idea i tryd too, because i actually have a non-tabbed dock on the same edge. But as soon as i uncheck "reserve edge of screen" with the tabbed dock it immediately pushes off the edge about a half inch. Its like it wont visibly sit on the edge of the screen without having reserve edge checked.
Hi, MySecret.
nice to hear, that should look tight. I also tyring my hand at tabbed dock, if you use them (soon) Still contemplating the leather thing.
Lantec
Reply #4 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:18 AM
Reply #4 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:18 AM
Sounds like you've got a wish list item there Jimmy. Hopefully Jeff Bargmann will see this post. 
MySecret
Reply #5 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:18 AM
Reply #5 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:18 AM
Man was I off 
I notice on all my walls that they all leave a tiny black border around the edge of the screen & that is where the tabs line up. Have no idea if you can do anything with that. My walls are the right size for my screen.
I notice on all my walls that they all leave a tiny black border around the edge of the screen & that is where the tabs line up. Have no idea if you can do anything with that. My walls are the right size for my screen.
jimmyyy
Reply #6 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:46 PM
Reply #6 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:46 PM
Lemy know when you post a screen shot MySecret,
Hmm.. Well, Now well have to practice that bump thing i learned from skinhit.
Hmm.. Well, Now well have to practice that bump thing i learned from skinhit.
Dr W - Fences Support
Reply #7 Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:09 PM
Reply #7 Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:09 PM
Hi jimmyyy, are you still having the problem of tabbed docks autohiding not on the edge of the screen but pushed in a bit, when reserve-edge is used? Had a hard time being sure of what exactly the problems were being described on this thread ; A screenshot would likly help!
jimmyyy
Reply #8 Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:56 PM
Reply #8 Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:56 PM
Wow, thanks for the reply,
Lantec answered my Q, its not currently an option.
Currently (with Tabbed docks) when u reserve the edge of screen, it reseves from below the tabs. I was hoping for an option to be able to reserve from above the tabs, right up against the actual dock, allowing the tabs to hang over the edge of the application, just like they do on autohide. This way they wouldn't waist that empty space across the screen that the tabs take up.
Since i have your atten at the moment, here is just a couple other items that i would love to see in OD+
Ctrl + drag/drop' from desktop into a folder in the dock. (ive learned cut and past work, so i imagine Ctrl + drag/drop is do-able.
Also it would be nice if a user could add an icon to the flyout menu by cut&past, or Ctrl + drag/drop.
One last item. Id love to be able to apply more than one color to a dock or tabbed dock, currently you can only apply one shade of color, this isn't to exciting, and it also limits the artists ability in creating the dock. (also for tabbed docks were you have one color per tab.)
Anyways, what i was thinking of is pretty simple. It's pretty standard in alot of apps.
Using almost any graphic prog, or even in an old word or excel app. you can pic 2colors and have them fade into each other creating shading styles or variants, there are also options for applying simple patterns. Im just curious if this could be added to Object dock, my guess is it wouldn't be to difficult to implement, but im not an expert, at all.
thats all, thanks for replying, and good luck your work.
ok, one last thing, though i know very little about it, and im not sure who will be making tabbed docks in the future, but it would be nice if some of the processes could some how be automated.
I guess what i mean is it would be cool if there were a builder of some kind. were you could bump the dock up or down and it would automatically make the changes to the .ini file once you hit save. In its currant state its hard to imagin many people wanting to design docks, and tabbed docks, at least not so much professional ones.
Lantec answered my Q, its not currently an option.
Currently (with Tabbed docks) when u reserve the edge of screen, it reseves from below the tabs. I was hoping for an option to be able to reserve from above the tabs, right up against the actual dock, allowing the tabs to hang over the edge of the application, just like they do on autohide. This way they wouldn't waist that empty space across the screen that the tabs take up.
Since i have your atten at the moment, here is just a couple other items that i would love to see in OD+
Ctrl + drag/drop' from desktop into a folder in the dock. (ive learned cut and past work, so i imagine Ctrl + drag/drop is do-able.
Also it would be nice if a user could add an icon to the flyout menu by cut&past, or Ctrl + drag/drop.
One last item. Id love to be able to apply more than one color to a dock or tabbed dock, currently you can only apply one shade of color, this isn't to exciting, and it also limits the artists ability in creating the dock. (also for tabbed docks were you have one color per tab.)
Anyways, what i was thinking of is pretty simple. It's pretty standard in alot of apps.
Using almost any graphic prog, or even in an old word or excel app. you can pic 2colors and have them fade into each other creating shading styles or variants, there are also options for applying simple patterns. Im just curious if this could be added to Object dock, my guess is it wouldn't be to difficult to implement, but im not an expert, at all.
thats all, thanks for replying, and good luck your work.
ok, one last thing, though i know very little about it, and im not sure who will be making tabbed docks in the future, but it would be nice if some of the processes could some how be automated.
I guess what i mean is it would be cool if there were a builder of some kind. were you could bump the dock up or down and it would automatically make the changes to the .ini file once you hit save. In its currant state its hard to imagin many people wanting to design docks, and tabbed docks, at least not so much professional ones.
Dr W - Fences Support
Reply #9 Friday, March 30, 2007 2:21 AM
Reply #9 Friday, March 30, 2007 2:21 AM
Hi jimmy - yeah sorry that isn't possible at the moment. My best bet for you would be to rig it somehow...e.g. have a 2nd tabbed dock or zoomer dock, have that reserve the edge, and have that take up the exact size you want it to. From there if you back away the tabbed dock from the edge by a pixel, it won't autohide, and you'll have basically the same effect.
More advanced drag & drop isn't possible yet such as dropping on to folders on the dock, I'm hoping to get more advanced functionaly put in there at some point. Not anytime soon, but this is something I hope to do. (Perhaps menus that you can drill in to as well)
For skinning stuff...Advanced color handling: I'd expect that, that's something I've really been waiting to do. But again, not real soon ; more near-term stuff / maintenance to worry about first. As for what you were saying about "automating" the building process...are you refering to skins? E.g. you want to pick a bitmap, and it would automatically apply / preview it for you / etc? Or something else
Thanks for the great suggestions - I hope you're enjoying ObjectDock Plus!
-Jeff
More advanced drag & drop isn't possible yet such as dropping on to folders on the dock, I'm hoping to get more advanced functionaly put in there at some point. Not anytime soon, but this is something I hope to do. (Perhaps menus that you can drill in to as well)
For skinning stuff...Advanced color handling: I'd expect that, that's something I've really been waiting to do. But again, not real soon ; more near-term stuff / maintenance to worry about first. As for what you were saying about "automating" the building process...are you refering to skins? E.g. you want to pick a bitmap, and it would automatically apply / preview it for you / etc? Or something else
Thanks for the great suggestions - I hope you're enjoying ObjectDock Plus!
-Jeff
jimmyyy
Reply #10 Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:21 PM
Reply #10 Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:21 PM
your welcome, ObjectDock rocks
as to your Q
Actually i was thinking of a 'dock tuner App', were you take the desired bitmap and mold the settings within the dock tuner App, for example if it were a tabbed dock, you select tabbed dock (in the app), then all your necessary .ini settings appear in the app. with empty input boxes, as you fill them in, the dock takes shape within the app as it would appear on the desktop. Also if by dragging the bitmap in certain ways or to certain locations the ini input boxes would auto fill. Once you have the dimensions u want, hit save and it saves the .ini for you. In addition if you could save ini settings, to apply to the next dock, or batch prepossess say 5 or 15+ docks at once.
This would remove the necessity to write code for the dock or tabbed dock, Make the tweaking process much easier and faster, and i think there would be a grater increase in skinning docks as well as a greater quality.
as to your Q
E.g. you want to pick a bitmap, and it would automatically apply / preview it for you / etc?
Actually i was thinking of a 'dock tuner App', were you take the desired bitmap and mold the settings within the dock tuner App, for example if it were a tabbed dock, you select tabbed dock (in the app), then all your necessary .ini settings appear in the app. with empty input boxes, as you fill them in, the dock takes shape within the app as it would appear on the desktop. Also if by dragging the bitmap in certain ways or to certain locations the ini input boxes would auto fill. Once you have the dimensions u want, hit save and it saves the .ini for you. In addition if you could save ini settings, to apply to the next dock, or batch prepossess say 5 or 15+ docks at once.
This would remove the necessity to write code for the dock or tabbed dock, Make the tweaking process much easier and faster, and i think there would be a grater increase in skinning docks as well as a greater quality.
messiah1
Reply #11 Sunday, April 1, 2007 12:12 AM
That sounds pretty cool and would be a fantastic time saver. As I'm sure you know but for those that may not, tweak the ini, save the ini, reapply the background, tweak the ini, save the ini, reapply the background...I love the idea of dragging the background and having it autofill the ini. Yer thinking outside the box jimmyyy, I like that.
By the way, I've been experimenting with a super-gradient dock and so far, it's working pretty well, still have some tweaking to do but I'm pleased with the results so far. It has about 12 colors changes in it!
Reply #11 Sunday, April 1, 2007 12:12 AM
as you fill them in, the dock takes shape within the app as it would appear on the desktop. Also if by dragging the bitmap in certain ways or to certain locations the ini input boxes would auto fill. Once you have the dimensions u want, hit save and it saves the .ini for you
That sounds pretty cool and would be a fantastic time saver. As I'm sure you know but for those that may not, tweak the ini, save the ini, reapply the background, tweak the ini, save the ini, reapply the background...I love the idea of dragging the background and having it autofill the ini. Yer thinking outside the box jimmyyy, I like that.
By the way, I've been experimenting with a super-gradient dock and so far, it's working pretty well, still have some tweaking to do but I'm pleased with the results so far. It has about 12 colors changes in it!
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Reply #1 Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:07 AM
Hope that helps
It's My Secret
ps...using your newest wood dock wood N, sets of my wall & Burner1 WB by night Train, haven't got my desktp completely set up so haven't submitted a screenshot yet.