You're not very compassionate..
..no, I'm not.
Wednesday, November 22, 2006 by Draginol | Discussion: Life Journals
A couple of years ago I wrote this blog about my own personal origins. In various debates on JU I know I come across as a total jerk. And there is a reason for that -- I am a jerk. I'm not proud of being a jerk, it's just something I've come to realize over the years. There are worse things than being a jerk though.
But what exactly is a jerk? A jerk, like most epitaphs, is someone who is not conforming to some rule of our society. As a society, we have an unwritten set of rules of how people are supposed to behave. I think a lot of people, especially men, are jerks. The difference is that most people have the good grace to at least try not to act like a jerk.
And I do try to not be a jerk most of the time and indeed, I'm not a jerk most of the time. If I'm around people I care about I'm willing to invest the effort to be a better person. I think many people can relate to that -- more than would care to relate. I know plenty of men and women that are cranky and impatient but do their best to soldier forth and not bite the heads off people.
But when I deal with strangers, I...just...don't...care.
Being a jerk isn't about being malicious to strangers. When I play games on-line I never grief. I'll even go out of my way when playing RTSs to make sure the other person is having a good time. Being a jerk doesn't mean I'm not empathic. And I enjoy, for whatever reason, making sure other people, even strangers, have a good time when they're playing a game with me. So I'm not really being nice as a selfless act, I'm not because I like being nice to strangers. I'm selfish. Self involved.
Being self involved is the essence of being a jerk. Or, I should say, being self involved and not having the good graces to conform to social expectations.
The inner jerk really comes out online. If someone annoys me on my personal blog, I'll blacklist them. I see people on JU all the time take holier than thou views about not blacklisting people. To me, those people just seem weak. But whatever. When I'm on my personal blog, it's all about me. I'll happily debate someone who has very different views. A lot of my good friends are very left-wing and I enjoy their company. It's not about people agreeing with me, it's about having people who can intelligently discuss a subject and show some level of respect.
The older I get and the more I read, the more contempt I have for the average participant in on-line debates. I understand most people are uninformed on issues and that most people are not very sharp. That's fine. But I have little patience for those same people who then choose to debate on some particular issue, especially politics. Debates on politics require some knowledge on history. And most people who debate politics can't be bothered to read history and that I find incredibly annoying.
And so, as a jerk, I am pretty candid about what I think about people's opinions. There are a lot of people woh are just plain losers. And nice people don't resort to thinking other people are losers. But the fact is, lots of people are losers. Not most people mind you. If you randomly select someone, odds are you'll find they're a good and decent person. But it seems today we live in a climate in which it is impolite to acknowledge anyone as being a "loser". To many people, life is about unearned self-esteem rather than achievement.
Jerks, being self involved, don't tend to have endless compassion for strangers. I certainly don't. I care not at all for people who don't work. If they're disabled -- truly disabled -- then I support helping them. But other people, no, could care less. They could starve. Whether that be the third generation welfare mother with 4 out of wedlock children or the 40 year old drunk who can't hold a job. I don't hold any malice towards these people. I don't want them to starve or be on the streets. No, it's just that I don't care if they are. The gazelle who runs for its life and still gets killed by the lion I can have compassion for. The gazelle that just sits there looking at the lion coming at them I don't have compassion for. Natural selection.
I have little patience for class envy either. Someone being richer than me doesn't hurt me at all. Class envy is a symptom of being a loser. If you are jealous of the possessions other people have, then grow up and get a life and a clue. It's just pathetic when someone sits around moaning about "the rich". It's pretty rare to meet an American who grew up poorer than I did. But I never felt envious of people who had more material things than me. How does their wealth hurt me? Good for them I always felt.
I'm "rich" by any definition of the term but I didn't get there by being ruthless or money grubbing. I got there through the voluntary choices of literally millions of people who exchanged their money for the goods and services I produced. So when I hear someone say that I should be doing "more" to help those in "need" I tend to have very little compassion. The reason being that I resent compassion being measured in what PERCENT of my income I hand out rather than the raw total. But that's a different topic. The pont is, "rich" people don't become rich in this country at the point of a gun. And money isn't everything. Too many people get fixated on money and it is ususally to their detriment.
Arrogance is another ingredient of being a jerk. And I'm really arrogant. But again, the older I get, the more I realize that yea, I really do know a lot more than most people on the topics I participate in. And as a jerk, I just don't have the good grace to be polite or patient with people so I'm arrogant. That isn't to say that I think I'm particularly intelligent or knowledgeable on all issues. I simply pick and choose what I want to talk about.
Another thing about being an arrogant, uncompassionate, self-involved jerk is that you make conclusions on people and can quickly decide whether what they think matters. And when I say "matters" I mean it in a specific sense (i.e. I believe everyone have the right to speak their opinion so in that sense it matters).
For example, a lot of the equivicators on the war on terror or taxes or whatever topic is being discussed don't matter. Their opinions are worthless. People who don't take a stand or have no firm principles don't matter in the real world. They're either working for the government in some way or they're probably some low level drone somewhere. Not always, but usually (20 years of experience in dealing with these kinds of people talking here).
Having strong opinions or taking stands on issues or making decisions may not lead to success, but not taking a clear position and not making decisions leads to nowhere. The world is run by people who make decisions. You can tell people who don't make decisions because they're the ones who scream out about stereotyping or generalizing. People who make decisions know you have to generalize to get things done (right or wrong). So the instant I see someone screaming about generalizing I know that that person's opinion is irrelevant and can be discounted.
To conclude this rambling essay. Being a jerk doesn't necessarily involve malice. I can't think of any people here on JU or elsewhere that I "dislike". Not a single person.
I can't think of anyone or anything in this world that I "hate". Being a jerk isn't about hating or disliking things. Quite the opposite, it's about apathy for me. I just don't care about things as much as society deems we should care (or more accurately, as much as people are supposed to pretend to care).
I believe the best system is the system in which we help each other by doing what is in our own best interest. So while I'm not proud that I'm a jerk, I don't think me being a jerk harms anyone and in fact has helped people. I don't spend energy worrying about strangers. I spend energy producing. And by producing, I help people because of the nature of our system. But I don't really care either way that that is the outcome. ![]()
Reply #42 Sunday, November 26, 2006 1:07 AM
| The key word here is most of the time. You presented two extremes and I stated that the truth lies in the middle of the two which I maintain is true and you must also believe so by the statement "most of the time" which indicates that sometimes people do act more in the interest of others. |
I am not arguing how the real world actually functions. In the real world, there are people who act to help others before themselves -- the mother Theresa example.
My "extreme" example only exists in the world of the theoretical.
Sometimes, enlightened self interest involves helping other people because it makes the person feel good. No human being is all one way or the other since we are emotional creatures. I've pulled over in my car and helped get a turtle across the road on many occasions over the year or lost hours of a day helping other people. But part of that is the emotional reaction of feeling good for helping other people.
So like most people, it's is about "most" since no one is an absolute.
Reply #43 Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:52 AM
Reply #44 Monday, November 27, 2006 1:19 AM
Reply #45 Saturday, December 2, 2006 12:48 AM
| Draginol , I am not surprised that you like to see an example of people acting in their own interest that causes pain to someone else. of course, how youd you know ..... you dont care about anyone you dont know. if you did you wouldnt ask this question. it would have been so self evident to you. I guess that shows the danger of your principle of just being self-involved. look around you a little ... beyond your own cirlce (no matter how big that circle is) and you would see that your primciple is so narrowaly define your OWN interest. I can assure you that if you were less self-involved you would have achieved many many more than what you already have. please dont misunderstand me, if there is one less tolerant than myself for stupidity, ignorance and the rest you dont tolerate i would like to meet him or her. However, that doesnt necessariy mean you ignore or not care about others just because you dont know them. One's actions, regardless of position or status in life affects all. In this global-village World, you will be surprised how far a simple action by a simple person affects people thouthands of miles away. if in self-interest a custom officer let a shipment of medication or of food with an expired date be exported to another nation, no one will ever know how many people died because of that resulting in many orphans and widows. All because the officer didnt stop the shipment to keep his/her job. You think that is a hypothetical? far from it ...... if you cared about people you dont know you would have known that very well indeed. The world and life are not one sided as you think. it is not all about results only or intentions only. they are not mutually exclusive. no good can come from immoral means and good intention is useless if it is just talking and it can not be a justification for bad results or for doing foolish things. |
Paragraphs are your friend. 
Second, you still don't list any specific examples. You provide very strange hypotheticals that start with the premise that doing something bad is in someone's best interests.
The only time doing bad things is in someone's best interest is if there's a deficiency in the law or the laws aren't being effectively enforced. The quasi-theoretical example you provide assumes that a custom officer has it in his best interest to let expired medicine be shipped. That's an "under pants gnome" like argument.
Why not just say "What if it is in someone's best interest to go on a murderous rampage"? You have to make the case that it is in someone's best interest to do the action FIRST and then go from there.
At the end, you then insist that it's not hypothetical but don't explain in what way it's not.
People don't do bad things generally because it's not in their best interest to do bad things because there are very negative consequences for it.
Reply #46 Saturday, December 2, 2006 10:15 AM
| The only time doing bad things is in someone's best interest is if there's a deficiency in the law or the laws aren't being effectively enforced. The quasi-theoretical example you provide assumes that a custom officer has it in his best interest to let expired medicine be shipped. |
You're taking a huge step back. First you were arguing that acting in self-interest never harms anyone. Now you're arguing that given perfectly designed, perfectly enforced consequences for harming people, acting in self-interest would never harm anyone. That's a pretty weak claim.
Here's the customs officer's self interest equation:
Risk = amount of the penalty x the chance that he'll be caught.
Reward = amount of bribe divided by chance that he won't get it.
Reward > risk ====> it's in the customs officer's self-interest to let the bad medicine go through.
From the amount of bribery that actually goes on you can see that people calculate their self-interest pretty well.
Reply #47 Sunday, December 3, 2006 12:26 AM
Noumenon, anytime you're dealing with absolutes you have to stick with absolutes throughout the theory.
You can't have some parts be absolutes and other parts aren't.
IF laws are absolutely functional and absolutely enforced then doing harm to others will absolutely have consequences . Therefore, doing harm to others is absolutely not in ones best interest.
In the real world, I absolutely (no pun intended) concede that there are times where people get hurt because people act in their own best interest because laws or rules are not enforced.
Reply #48 Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:20 PM
Or to put it even more concisely: You're an objectivist.
Reply #49 Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:08 AM
Reply #50 Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:39 PM
Well I wouldn't say I'm an objectivist. Certainly not with regards to personal issues.
I believe strongly in concepts such as loyalty. And I do believe in progressive taxation. Plop me down in some third world country when I was 10 and I'd likely be in poverty. So in that sense, I believe that I have a duty to help contribute disproportionately to the tax base.
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Reply #41 Sunday, November 26, 2006 1:04 AM
Let's say that one guy in a group falls and breaks his leg. Let's also say that the group as a whole has a goal to achieve.
Obviously if the other members of the group chose to act only in their own self interest they would leave the fallen member to suffer and die.
In order for the fallen member of the group to receive any aid, someone must choose to act in his interest instead of their own.
Couple things about ths. First, they didn't cause the pain. Secondly, if they have a group goal to solve, then they are probably better off with that man in many circumstances.