Daylight Savings Time is over
When does the site update
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 by Lantec | Discussion: WinCustomize Site Issues
Pretty much there in the title. Daylight savings time ended Sunday Morning. The sites always been run on Central Time. Is the time going to channge or is the site now on Eastern Standard Time? 
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Reply #42 Monday, November 7, 2005 2:28 AM
...you do have 'Gators
Croc's are a different beast
Reply #42 Monday, November 7, 2005 2:28 AM
| Man, and I thought we had alligators here in the states. |
...you do have 'Gators
Croc's are a different beast
starkers
Reply #43 Monday, November 7, 2005 3:50 AM
And nowhere as mean as our crocs, either.....in fact, we're a bit like Texas but bigger....we got the biggest, baddest, meanest, most 'ornery critters known to man.....and we still go outdoors?
Does that make Aussies extremely brave.....or extremely foolish?
Reply #43 Monday, November 7, 2005 3:50 AM
| you do have 'Gators Croc's are a different beast |
And nowhere as mean as our crocs, either.....in fact, we're a bit like Texas but bigger....we got the biggest, baddest, meanest, most 'ornery critters known to man.....and we still go outdoors?
Does that make Aussies extremely brave.....or extremely foolish?
Lantec
Reply #44 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 8:16 PM
Reply #44 Tuesday, November 8, 2005 8:16 PM
Supposedly the Croc in the pic was killed while swimming down a street in New Orleans after the hurricane. It was scheduled to undergo a disembowelment to see if it had any remains in it. We have native gators and native crocodiles both. Our crocs don't get out much....what with living in the Everglades and Mississippi Delta. So if they happen to occasionally eat someone nobody notices.
starkers
Reply #46 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 2:38 AM
I was of the understanding that the crocodile was an introduced species, native only to the Southern Hemiphere. According to some articles I've read, it dates back to the late 1800's, early 1900's, when it was considered fashionable to keep exotic pets, such as baby crocs and pythons, etc. When these creature outgrew their owners abilities to safely manage them, they were released into the wild, where they bred and thus became a part of the habitat. Now I'm curious....shall investigate further.
In getting back to the daylight savings.....I'm wondering if it has any effect on crocs and gators, given that their size and gender is supposedly dependant on how much warmth the eggs get from the sun during incubation
Reply #46 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 2:38 AM
| We have native gators and native crocodiles both |
I was of the understanding that the crocodile was an introduced species, native only to the Southern Hemiphere. According to some articles I've read, it dates back to the late 1800's, early 1900's, when it was considered fashionable to keep exotic pets, such as baby crocs and pythons, etc. When these creature outgrew their owners abilities to safely manage them, they were released into the wild, where they bred and thus became a part of the habitat. Now I'm curious....shall investigate further.
In getting back to the daylight savings.....I'm wondering if it has any effect on crocs and gators, given that their size and gender is supposedly dependant on how much warmth the eggs get from the sun during incubation
scorpio-logic
Reply #49 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 3:27 AM
I read an article that New Englanders had been spotting gators of the coast of Maine.
Reply #49 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 3:27 AM
| I was of the understanding that the crocodile was an introduced species, native only to the Southern Hemiphere. |
I read an article that New Englanders had been spotting gators of the coast of Maine.
starkers
Reply #50 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 11:02 AM
That doesn't surprise me, actually.....spotting animals a considerable distance from their normal habitats, in less than expected situations.
When I lived in Queensland Australia, I saw reasonably sized White Pointers 40 to 50 miles upstream in the Brisbane River....probably attracted by the efluent discharged into the river by a nearby meatworks.
When in Rockhampton on Qld's central coast, I saw a 10 foot saltwater croc in the Fitzroy River, some 700 to 800 miles from its normal, tropical environment in the North.
I remember seeing a similar situation on TV, when a Beluga Whale 'presumably' got lost several miles up-river somewhere near Washington, but I guess the real scoop would be a positive sighting of Nessie and capturing it on film
Reply #50 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 11:02 AM
I read an article that New Englanders had been spotting gators of the coast of Maine. |
That doesn't surprise me, actually.....spotting animals a considerable distance from their normal habitats, in less than expected situations.
When I lived in Queensland Australia, I saw reasonably sized White Pointers 40 to 50 miles upstream in the Brisbane River....probably attracted by the efluent discharged into the river by a nearby meatworks.
When in Rockhampton on Qld's central coast, I saw a 10 foot saltwater croc in the Fitzroy River, some 700 to 800 miles from its normal, tropical environment in the North.
I remember seeing a similar situation on TV, when a Beluga Whale 'presumably' got lost several miles up-river somewhere near Washington, but I guess the real scoop would be a positive sighting of Nessie and capturing it on film
Lantec
Reply #51 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 4:30 PM
No Starkers, they're just rare. You see...us Americans EAT our Crocodiles instead of the other way around
U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE
DIVISION OF ENDANGERED SPECIES
SPECIES ACCOUNTS
Source Endangered and Threatened Species of the Southeastern United States (The Red Book) FWS Region 4 -- As of
AMERICAN CROCODILE
(Crocodylus acutus)
FAMILY: Crocodylidae
STATUS: Endangered throughout its United States range, Federal Register, September 25, 1975
DESCRIPTION: A large lizard-shaped reptile, the crocodile closely resembles the alligator. Hatchlings are about 23 centimeters in length; adults may grow to 4.5 meters or larger. Florida crocodiles may be distinguished from alligators by their more slender build and their difference in snout shape. The crocodile's snout tapers forward from the eyes while the alligator's snout is untapered and rounded at the end. When the mouth is closed, the fourth tooth in the lower jaw is exposed in the crocodile but concealed in the alligator. The adult crocodile's diet includes fish, crabs, birds, turtles, snakes, and small mammals. The young feed chiefly on aquatic invertebrates and small fish. As a general rule crocodilians feed on any prey items which can be caught and overpowered.
REPRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT: Females in south Florida begin nest construction in April, and eggs are laid in late April or early May. Twenty to 6O eggs may be laid in a clutch. Hatching occurs in July and August. One of the parents, presumably the female, opens the nest and assists the young in hatching. There is some evidence that human disturbance of the female while guarding the nest may disrupt the normal behavior pattern of nest protection and assistance to the young during the hatching process. Freedom from human disturbance during this period may be a critical factor to recovery of the crocodile.
RANGE AND POPULATION LEVEL: The American crocodile breeds only in the southern portions of the Everglades National Park, chiefly Florida Bay, and outside the park on adjacent Key Largo, and at Turkey Point. Crocodiles are occasionally reported from the lower Florida Keys on Big Pine, Little Pine, and Howe Keys, with past breeding rumored on Little Pine Key. This lower Keys population exists primarily within the National Key Deer Refuge. Historically the crocodile ranged north on the east coast at least to Lake Worth, Palm Beach County. Breeding is suspected but undocumented for this area. The records do not indicate any difference between current and historic range on the west coast. Present population trends in Florida are clearly down. The estimated population is between 2OO to 4OO individuals with 25 to 3O known breeding females. Over the last decade there has been a slight increase in the number of nests produced.
HABITAT: The crocodile is primarily a coastal species utilizing mangrove swamps, salt and brackish water bays, and brackish creeks. Crocodiles may also enter coastal canals and borrow pits. Nesting occurs primarily in hardwood thickets at heads of small sand beaches and on marl banks along narrow coastal creeks. There is some data to indicate that hatchlings may require brackish or fresh water during their early development, but more recent studies indicate that frequent rainfall is sufficient to supply the water needs of hatchlings. Adults withstand full seawater salinity and wander widely in coastal areas.
CRITICAL HABITAT: The following area (exclusive of those existing man- made structures or settlements which are not necessary to the normal needs or survival of the species) is critical habitat for the American crocodile (Crocodylus acutus) All land and water within the following boundary in Florida: beginning at the easternmost tip of Turkey Point, Dade County, on the coast of Biscayne Bay; then southeastward along a straight line to Christmas Point at the southernmost tip of Elliott Key; then southwest along a line following the shores of the Atlantic Ocean side of Old Rhodes Key, Palo Alto Key, Anglefish Key, Key Largo, Plantation Key, Windley Key, Upper Matecumbe Key, Lower Matecumbe Key, and Long Key, to the westernmost tip of Long Key; then northwestward along a straight line to the westernmost tip of Middle Cape; then northward along the shore of the Gulf of Mexico to the north side of the mouth of Little Sable Creek; then eastward along a straight line to the northernmost point of Nine-Mile Pond; then northeastward along a straight line to the point of beginning.
REASONS FOR CURRENT STATUS: Many alligator deaths are caused by the direct loss of habitat to urbanization. Other causes, byproducts of urbanization, include human disturbance or intentional killing and accidental deaths in commercial fishing nets and on highways. There is some evidence that decreased fresh water flow into the Florida Bay ecosystem has increased salinities to a point that cannot be tolerated by hatchlings. Heavy predation on hatchlings in Florida Bay, primarily by raccoons, is also thought to be hampering recruitment.
MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTION: The absence of past management programs for the crocodile makes its potential for response to specific measures a largely unknown factor. Beyond the currently available State and Federal legal protection, it appears that a public information program is needed to decrease accidental mortality and increase public tolerance of large, breeding-sized individuals.
REFERENCES:
U.S. Department of Interior. 1977. Species Accounts for Sensitive Wildlife Information System (SWIS). Compiled by Fish and Wildlife Service, National Wildlife Laboratory, Gainesville, Florida.
**U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. 1984. American Crocodile Recovery Plan. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Atlanta, Georgia. 37 pp.
For more information please contact: U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
31OO University Boulevard, South
Suite 12O
Jacksonville, Florida 32216
Reply #51 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 4:30 PM
| I was of the understanding that the crocodile was an introduced species, native only to the Southern Hemiphere. |
No Starkers, they're just rare. You see...us Americans EAT our Crocodiles instead of the other way around
U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE
DIVISION OF ENDANGERED SPECIES
SPECIES ACCOUNTS
Source Endangered and Threatened Species of the Southeastern United States (The Red Book) FWS Region 4 -- As of
AMERICAN CROCODILE
(Crocodylus acutus)
FAMILY: Crocodylidae
STATUS: Endangered throughout its United States range, Federal Register, September 25, 1975
DESCRIPTION: A large lizard-shaped reptile, the crocodile closely resembles the alligator. Hatchlings are about 23 centimeters in length; adults may grow to 4.5 meters or larger. Florida crocodiles may be distinguished from alligators by their more slender build and their difference in snout shape. The crocodile's snout tapers forward from the eyes while the alligator's snout is untapered and rounded at the end. When the mouth is closed, the fourth tooth in the lower jaw is exposed in the crocodile but concealed in the alligator. The adult crocodile's diet includes fish, crabs, birds, turtles, snakes, and small mammals. The young feed chiefly on aquatic invertebrates and small fish. As a general rule crocodilians feed on any prey items which can be caught and overpowered.
REPRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT: Females in south Florida begin nest construction in April, and eggs are laid in late April or early May. Twenty to 6O eggs may be laid in a clutch. Hatching occurs in July and August. One of the parents, presumably the female, opens the nest and assists the young in hatching. There is some evidence that human disturbance of the female while guarding the nest may disrupt the normal behavior pattern of nest protection and assistance to the young during the hatching process. Freedom from human disturbance during this period may be a critical factor to recovery of the crocodile.
RANGE AND POPULATION LEVEL: The American crocodile breeds only in the southern portions of the Everglades National Park, chiefly Florida Bay, and outside the park on adjacent Key Largo, and at Turkey Point. Crocodiles are occasionally reported from the lower Florida Keys on Big Pine, Little Pine, and Howe Keys, with past breeding rumored on Little Pine Key. This lower Keys population exists primarily within the National Key Deer Refuge. Historically the crocodile ranged north on the east coast at least to Lake Worth, Palm Beach County. Breeding is suspected but undocumented for this area. The records do not indicate any difference between current and historic range on the west coast. Present population trends in Florida are clearly down. The estimated population is between 2OO to 4OO individuals with 25 to 3O known breeding females. Over the last decade there has been a slight increase in the number of nests produced.
HABITAT: The crocodile is primarily a coastal species utilizing mangrove swamps, salt and brackish water bays, and brackish creeks. Crocodiles may also enter coastal canals and borrow pits. Nesting occurs primarily in hardwood thickets at heads of small sand beaches and on marl banks along narrow coastal creeks. There is some data to indicate that hatchlings may require brackish or fresh water during their early development, but more recent studies indicate that frequent rainfall is sufficient to supply the water needs of hatchlings. Adults withstand full seawater salinity and wander widely in coastal areas.
CRITICAL HABITAT: The following area (exclusive of those existing man- made structures or settlements which are not necessary to the normal needs or survival of the species) is critical habitat for the American crocodile (Crocodylus acutus) All land and water within the following boundary in Florida: beginning at the easternmost tip of Turkey Point, Dade County, on the coast of Biscayne Bay; then southeastward along a straight line to Christmas Point at the southernmost tip of Elliott Key; then southwest along a line following the shores of the Atlantic Ocean side of Old Rhodes Key, Palo Alto Key, Anglefish Key, Key Largo, Plantation Key, Windley Key, Upper Matecumbe Key, Lower Matecumbe Key, and Long Key, to the westernmost tip of Long Key; then northwestward along a straight line to the westernmost tip of Middle Cape; then northward along the shore of the Gulf of Mexico to the north side of the mouth of Little Sable Creek; then eastward along a straight line to the northernmost point of Nine-Mile Pond; then northeastward along a straight line to the point of beginning.
REASONS FOR CURRENT STATUS: Many alligator deaths are caused by the direct loss of habitat to urbanization. Other causes, byproducts of urbanization, include human disturbance or intentional killing and accidental deaths in commercial fishing nets and on highways. There is some evidence that decreased fresh water flow into the Florida Bay ecosystem has increased salinities to a point that cannot be tolerated by hatchlings. Heavy predation on hatchlings in Florida Bay, primarily by raccoons, is also thought to be hampering recruitment.
MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTION: The absence of past management programs for the crocodile makes its potential for response to specific measures a largely unknown factor. Beyond the currently available State and Federal legal protection, it appears that a public information program is needed to decrease accidental mortality and increase public tolerance of large, breeding-sized individuals.
REFERENCES:
U.S. Department of Interior. 1977. Species Accounts for Sensitive Wildlife Information System (SWIS). Compiled by Fish and Wildlife Service, National Wildlife Laboratory, Gainesville, Florida.
**U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. 1984. American Crocodile Recovery Plan. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Atlanta, Georgia. 37 pp.
For more information please contact: U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
31OO University Boulevard, South
Suite 12O
Jacksonville, Florida 32216
aimzzz
Reply #52 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 7:47 PM
Reply #52 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 7:47 PM
The American crocs must be indigenous to make the Endangered Species list, qué non? I could have sworn alligators were the only big reptiles that originated here. Must google some now. There aren't manatees outside of North America are there?
I love this Aussie thread. We don't hear much about your politics aside from announcements of various agreements between your PM & our so-called president...
So similar yet so different
I love this Aussie thread. We don't hear much about your politics aside from announcements of various agreements between your PM & our so-called president...
So similar yet so different
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #53 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:09 PM
Reply #53 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:09 PM
I love this thread, too. Oz has always been a place I wanted to visit mostly to see the diversity of wildlife, especrially the abundance of many types of marsupials (we only have the oppossum) but Jafo has not made the invitation clear no matter how many times I tell him I'm coming
There is one animal I know we have in America that the rest of the world does not. They are the most incredible critters (having lived amongst them).
He is Procyon lotor. "Arakum" in the Native Algonquin tongue. Coony Monsters. We know him as Raccoon.
There is one animal I know we have in America that the rest of the world does not. They are the most incredible critters (having lived amongst them).
He is Procyon lotor. "Arakum" in the Native Algonquin tongue. Coony Monsters. We know him as Raccoon.
Lantec
Reply #54 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:11 PM
Yes, there are. There are four species. Ours is the West Indian Manantee. I believe they call them dugongs near Australia and in the Indian Ocean. The others are West African and Amazonian.
Reply #54 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:11 PM
| There aren't manatees outside of North America are there? |
Yes, there are. There are four species. Ours is the West Indian Manantee. I believe they call them dugongs near Australia and in the Indian Ocean. The others are West African and Amazonian.
Jafo
Reply #55 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:15 PM
Reply #55 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:15 PM
SD...I think the Platypus takes the cake for 'incredible'...
aimzzz
Reply #56 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:24 PM
Reply #56 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:24 PM
Some US croc stuff:
American Crocodile - Range map
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/natsci/herpetology/brittoncrocs/cst_cacu_dh_map.htm
A few pics with some infornation
American Crocodile
http://www.enature.com/fieldguides/enlarged.asp?imageID=19066
American Alligator, American Crocodile & others
http://www.montereybay.com/creagrus/crocs.html
I never knew...
American Crocodile - Range map
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/natsci/herpetology/brittoncrocs/cst_cacu_dh_map.htm
A few pics with some infornation
American Crocodile
http://www.enature.com/fieldguides/enlarged.asp?imageID=19066
American Alligator, American Crocodile & others
http://www.montereybay.com/creagrus/crocs.html
I never knew...
Lantec
Reply #57 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:32 PM
Definitely unique. Sort of a Genetic train wreck.
Reply #57 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:32 PM
| Platypus takes the cake for 'incredible'. |
Definitely unique. Sort of a Genetic train wreck.
aimzzz
Reply #58 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:37 PM
Reply #58 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:37 PM
LOL- childhood memory:
Mind me platypus duck, Bill,
mind me platypus duck.
Don't let him go running amok, Bill,
mind me platypus duck.
Mind me platypus duck, Bill,
mind me platypus duck.
Don't let him go running amok, Bill,
mind me platypus duck.
Lantec
Reply #59 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:42 PM
Reply #59 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:42 PM
Gators have bounced back from their "near extinction" and are now becoming a nuisance. For people who don't live with them you can equate them with Mountain Lions. They only occasionally go after humasns, but people's pets make up a large part of they're normal diet nowadays. 25 years ago it was unusual to see one unless you went out on the St. Johns or one of the larger lakes. Just before the last hurricane came through they removed one from a retention pond near downtown. That's about 4 miles from the river and at least a mile from any major lake.
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #60 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:43 PM
Yes, biologically speaking you'r dead nuts on. An aquatic mammal that lays eggs and also nurses it's young throws so many biologists into fits.
The Raccon is incredible in behavioral ways. They give 120% in what they do. In traps they are a demon. As babies they are teddy bears. When they wash their food, they act human. They bark like a dog, and purr like a cat. When two of them fell asleep on me while they were still in the midst of a wrestling match with each other, all I could do was laugh. When hand capturing babies, they cover their eyes with both hands, scream and pee all at the same time. It's just the cutest thing. But when grabbing the back end of a wild one trying to get away and having their canines rip through my skin like razors, they are not as cute.
I suppose I have a bias, but only wanted to mention a mammal that was indigenous to the Americas. Oz has thousands indigenous to Oz. The bats themselves would be worth the trip.
Reply #60 Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:43 PM
| SD...I think the Platypus takes the cake for 'incredible' |
Yes, biologically speaking you'r dead nuts on. An aquatic mammal that lays eggs and also nurses it's young throws so many biologists into fits.
The Raccon is incredible in behavioral ways. They give 120% in what they do. In traps they are a demon. As babies they are teddy bears. When they wash their food, they act human. They bark like a dog, and purr like a cat. When two of them fell asleep on me while they were still in the midst of a wrestling match with each other, all I could do was laugh. When hand capturing babies, they cover their eyes with both hands, scream and pee all at the same time. It's just the cutest thing. But when grabbing the back end of a wild one trying to get away and having their canines rip through my skin like razors, they are not as cute.
I suppose I have a bias, but only wanted to mention a mammal that was indigenous to the Americas. Oz has thousands indigenous to Oz. The bats themselves would be worth the trip.
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Reply #41 Monday, November 7, 2005 1:36 AM
This thread has intrigued me enough to do my own little googles on Aussie lyfestiles, so that I will know what the heck ya'll smoke before you start ranting in this here Fo-rum.