Virtual Desktop 1.99d(rc).002 - cannot add more than 3 desktops
Wednesday, September 14, 2005 by Kent Allison | Discussion:
Does anyone one else have this problem with the latest beta? Have done an uninstall/reboot etc. 
3 desktops is better than only one, but is not really enough!
Windows XP Pro + SP2 + latest hotfixes.
Cheers, Kent
3 desktops is better than only one, but is not really enough!
Windows XP Pro + SP2 + latest hotfixes.
Cheers, Kent
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KenF
Reply #22 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 2:39 PM
Reply #22 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 2:39 PM
Jeff,
What about the other problem noted, that it doesn't display any bitmaps for the desktops at all in this build?
What about the other problem noted, that it doesn't display any bitmaps for the desktops at all in this build?
cmuggle
Reply #23 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:27 PM
Reply #23 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:27 PM
That works for me!
Is SVD still supposed to be added to RightClick menus? I'm currently on version 1.10a.006 of RightClick and the latest version of SVD...
Thanks Jeff!
Is SVD still supposed to be added to RightClick menus? I'm currently on version 1.10a.006 of RightClick and the latest version of SVD...
Thanks Jeff!
kra
Reply #24 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:51 PM
Reply #24 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:51 PM
Hi Jeff, thanks for getting back to us on this. 
Is there a better way for us to notify you of any problems with future builds, or is this discussion board the best place? Cheers, Kent.
Is there a better way for us to notify you of any problems with future builds, or is this discussion board the best place? Cheers, Kent.
JMB1984
Reply #25 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:12 PM
Reply #25 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:12 PM
KenF: the problem of not being able to change the background from the default was part of the same problem as "only 3 desktops". It would constantly overwrite the background for desktops 2 and 3 with the default. If you're having a problem of the background not changing at *all*, you'll want to (1) do the registry update I mentioned above, and then (2) ensure that the options for Stardock Virtual Desktops is setup to do what you want it to do. Specifically, there is a new option wherein you can enable/disable not just the mini-wallpaper, but you can seperatly disable just the applying of the wallpaper to the desktop. Check it out in the options...and once you make the registry update, the changes will actually stick.
kra: best place to have this kindof stuff go would be these newsgroups, yeah. Alternativly, the newsgroup stardock.bandvwm over on news://news.stardock.com, but the web one is just as good.
The only reason I didn't see this immediatly is that I had missed the message for when it had actually been posted. Thankfully our support system's pretty good here so I got word within a few days and now today was able to figure it out. Normally, after new releases of any of the products I work on (ObjectDock, ObjectBar, etc) I spend plenty of time making sure everything is well and good on the boards. For times that its outside of a couple weeks since the last release, I don't check the boards all the time, but it becomes a great place for me to reference to make improvments or small fixes for the next release.
thanks everyone i'm glad the fix works and hope you're all getting great use out of the virtual desktops
kra: best place to have this kindof stuff go would be these newsgroups, yeah. Alternativly, the newsgroup stardock.bandvwm over on news://news.stardock.com, but the web one is just as good.
The only reason I didn't see this immediatly is that I had missed the message for when it had actually been posted. Thankfully our support system's pretty good here so I got word within a few days and now today was able to figure it out. Normally, after new releases of any of the products I work on (ObjectDock, ObjectBar, etc) I spend plenty of time making sure everything is well and good on the boards. For times that its outside of a couple weeks since the last release, I don't check the boards all the time, but it becomes a great place for me to reference to make improvments or small fixes for the next release.
thanks everyone i'm glad the fix works and hope you're all getting great use out of the virtual desktops
cmuggle
Reply #26 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:32 PM
Reply #26 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:32 PM
I'm getting all the desktops to show now for each desktop and as mini's...although I don't know if having 10 desktops and 10 backgrounds loaded is good since the explorer.exe size in Task Manager has gone up considerably.
Jeff:
SVD used to be available as an option in Right Click to add to a menu. Should that still be the case? I don't have the ability to add it any longer. Would it be possible to add SVD to ObjectDock+ in the future?
Thanks for taking care of the current issues that we were having!
Jeff:
SVD used to be available as an option in Right Click to add to a menu. Should that still be the case? I don't have the ability to add it any longer. Would it be possible to add SVD to ObjectDock+ in the future?
Thanks for taking care of the current issues that we were having!
JMB1984
Reply #27 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 6:08 PM
Reply #27 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 6:08 PM
Hi cmuggle,
Actually, for various reasons the decision was made to not include Virtual Desktops as an option within RightClick. We are planning on having a docklet to control an already-open copy of the virtual desktops (e.g. if you have it open in the windows taskbar or in ObjectBar already), but it will only be able to switch between desktops and show you which desktop you're on, not show replicas mini-walls etc etc like in the toolbar-version.
Actually, for various reasons the decision was made to not include Virtual Desktops as an option within RightClick. We are planning on having a docklet to control an already-open copy of the virtual desktops (e.g. if you have it open in the windows taskbar or in ObjectBar already), but it will only be able to switch between desktops and show you which desktop you're on, not show replicas mini-walls etc etc like in the toolbar-version.
HaZy-HaZe
Reply #28 Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:55 AM
Reply #28 Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:55 AM
Hi Jeff,
Thank you for the "patch" svd work fine know....
Thank you for the "patch" svd work fine know....
KenF
Reply #29 Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:00 PM
Reply #29 Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:00 PM
Hi Jeff,
What I meant was not using custom wallpaper bitmaps as "mini" images. Your fix worked. Thanks.
Ken
What I meant was not using custom wallpaper bitmaps as "mini" images. Your fix worked. Thanks.
Ken
VinnieDaArm
Reply #30 Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:45 PM
Reply #30 Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:45 PM
Hey Jeff ... I'm sure you are sick of the obvious by now but just to let you know the patch worked for me. Thanks so much.
Vince
Vince
Chris TH
Reply #31 Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:41 PM
Reply #31 Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:41 PM
The patch also worked here, however... 
I have an OD+ dock containing 6 SysStats docklets two of which are Judge's excellent world clocks (see: http://sysstats.needlemen.com/details.php?id=60). Now, one of the configuration options of this docklet is if you CTRL+LeftClick is brings up a dialog to set the locale.
What's this have to do with BandVWM? Well, whenever I change desktops (regardless of whether by hotkey or mouse click) both those SysStats docklets responded to their CTRL+RightClick event! It was also regardless of which application had focus at the time.
[Edited]
I'm not even able to work around it by reconfiguring the docklets to respond to another click+key combination, they respond nevertheless - moreover there's 2 of the dialogs opened for each docklet.
I thought it could be a sleeper waiting to go off in other applications also...
I have an OD+ dock containing 6 SysStats docklets two of which are Judge's excellent world clocks (see: http://sysstats.needlemen.com/details.php?id=60). Now, one of the configuration options of this docklet is if you CTRL+LeftClick is brings up a dialog to set the locale.
What's this have to do with BandVWM? Well, whenever I change desktops (regardless of whether by hotkey or mouse click) both those SysStats docklets responded to their CTRL+RightClick event! It was also regardless of which application had focus at the time.
[Edited]
I'm not even able to work around it by reconfiguring the docklets to respond to another click+key combination, they respond nevertheless - moreover there's 2 of the dialogs opened for each docklet.
I thought it could be a sleeper waiting to go off in other applications also...
aimzzz
Reply #32 Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:51 PM
Reply #32 Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:51 PM
Yay!!! Your patch fixed my freezing problem and also the refresh/repaint issue I had. I thought maybe my system is just not up to running SVD, but it's looking good now. I thought I had it running OK at one point a while back, but was beginning to think I dreamed it or something.
Running 3 desks along with WB, OD, Opera, some widgets & assorted apps-- no problem!
Running 3 desks along with WB, OD, Opera, some widgets & assorted apps-- no problem!
aimzzz
Reply #33 Friday, September 23, 2005 2:27 AM
Reply #33 Friday, September 23, 2005 2:27 AM
Is this effect is caused by my system or by SVD?
In post #12, I mentioned having a refresh/repaint problem when running SVD. The problem vanished after I ran JMB1984's vwmfix.reg. Then, when I unloaded SVG, the repaint didn't work for several minutes. Here's how it went:
I deselected SVD on the Taskbar/Toolbars menu. The SVD controls disappeared from the Taskbar. I had forgotten to close a couple of programs from a virtual desk & they appeared on the main desktop. When I closed the extra apps, the screen didn't refresh. Also, the wallpaper I used for Desk 1 in SVD was still loaded. Then, after a few minutes, the screen refreshed-- wallpaper changed & images of closed apps vanished. I thought maybe a cache emptied or something.
Is it a problem if the user doesn't close apps on the virtual desks before unloading SVD?
My system is old & may have contributed--
MB: Asus, PC133
CPU: Pentium III, 670 MHz
Memory: 512 MB SDRAM
Video: ATI Rage Fury Pro 128/Xpert 2000 Pro - 32 MB (AGP)
In post #12, I mentioned having a refresh/repaint problem when running SVD. The problem vanished after I ran JMB1984's vwmfix.reg. Then, when I unloaded SVG, the repaint didn't work for several minutes. Here's how it went:
I deselected SVD on the Taskbar/Toolbars menu. The SVD controls disappeared from the Taskbar. I had forgotten to close a couple of programs from a virtual desk & they appeared on the main desktop. When I closed the extra apps, the screen didn't refresh. Also, the wallpaper I used for Desk 1 in SVD was still loaded. Then, after a few minutes, the screen refreshed-- wallpaper changed & images of closed apps vanished. I thought maybe a cache emptied or something.
Is it a problem if the user doesn't close apps on the virtual desks before unloading SVD?
My system is old & may have contributed--
MB: Asus, PC133
CPU: Pentium III, 670 MHz
Memory: 512 MB SDRAM
Video: ATI Rage Fury Pro 128/Xpert 2000 Pro - 32 MB (AGP)
laurentfr
Reply #34 Friday, September 23, 2005 2:30 AM
Reply #34 Friday, September 23, 2005 2:30 AM
Hi Jeff,
Is it in your plans to make SVD compatible with Iconx ??
At the current time, the custom wallpapers of SVD are overwritten by the default wallpaper when Iconx is running
Is it in your plans to make SVD compatible with Iconx ??
At the current time, the custom wallpapers of SVD are overwritten by the default wallpaper when Iconx is running
VinnieDaArm
Reply #35 Friday, September 23, 2005 3:49 PM
Reply #35 Friday, September 23, 2005 3:49 PM
Ah very good question. Yeah I'd like IconX and SVD running and still see my custom backgrounds.
Vince
Vince
do not use this name
Reply #36 Friday, September 23, 2005 6:13 PM
Reply #36 Friday, September 23, 2005 6:13 PM
Does anyone else have the problem of desktops losing applications? I cannot use these desktops for serious work because programs disappear when I switch from one desktop to another. I can't get them back (retrieve all windows doesn't do the job, tabbing doesn't do the job). The programs appear in Program Manager but not on the desktops. This has to be a general problem because it occurs on both my laptop and my workstation.
kra
Reply #37 Saturday, September 24, 2005 5:36 PM
Reply #37 Saturday, September 24, 2005 5:36 PM
Yes, that is a problem I encounter to. It typically happens when I switch away from (or switch to) a desktop that has a "busy" application running (typically something that is connecting to a network resource - MS Outlook and Lotus Notes tend to do this to me.) "Retrieve all windows" will not get it back - the only way is to kill the missing app from the task manager and restart it. This has happened on all versions of SVD that I've used. On the older version of SVD (where running apps weren't filtered from the task list) I could at least get the "missing" app back on screen by using keyboard shortcuts to move the window back into the visible area - that doesn't work anymore.
It'd probably be a good idea to move this into a new "thread" - how do we do that?
It'd probably be a good idea to move this into a new "thread" - how do we do that?
JMB1984
Reply #39 Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:52 PM
Reply #39 Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:52 PM
Chris TH:
Not sure Chris, you might want to ask the author of that app. The virtual desktops don't ever generate any keystrokes or fake-send messages to any apps, etc. Other than hiding/showing/moving them around of course. But in the docklets case, this shouldn't matter.
Might want to ask the author what other than the actual keycombo (if, say, you disable the key combo altogether) could cause this.
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aimzzz: for some background, so you have your desktop configured to show your desktop icons, and does your desktop not have any "web objects" on it. (e.g. that old 'active desktop' stuff)
It sounds like something it getting in the way of the wallpaper hooking unloading. Try right clicking and then "refresh" on the desktop... perhaps also, try changing the wallpaper, or resizing the taskbar briefly.
I don't think the other apps being on the other desktops would be the cause of this.
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laurentfr:
Though we have not yet set time aside for it, Alberto and I are expecting to get together to make the two technologies compatible. Stardock products should be able to work together, even in conflict. The main technical issue is that it's not just normal background switching going on, we each have special techniques in place in order to make our presentations as fast and efficient as possible.
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kra:
yes, good idea for a different thread. I've never noticed that personally but I have it in my notes now to investigate further with MS Outlook being on alternate desktops. Question, does this still happen in that "mode 2"?
Not sure Chris, you might want to ask the author of that app. The virtual desktops don't ever generate any keystrokes or fake-send messages to any apps, etc. Other than hiding/showing/moving them around of course. But in the docklets case, this shouldn't matter.
Might want to ask the author what other than the actual keycombo (if, say, you disable the key combo altogether) could cause this.
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aimzzz: for some background, so you have your desktop configured to show your desktop icons, and does your desktop not have any "web objects" on it. (e.g. that old 'active desktop' stuff)
It sounds like something it getting in the way of the wallpaper hooking unloading. Try right clicking and then "refresh" on the desktop... perhaps also, try changing the wallpaper, or resizing the taskbar briefly.
I don't think the other apps being on the other desktops would be the cause of this.
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laurentfr:
Though we have not yet set time aside for it, Alberto and I are expecting to get together to make the two technologies compatible. Stardock products should be able to work together, even in conflict. The main technical issue is that it's not just normal background switching going on, we each have special techniques in place in order to make our presentations as fast and efficient as possible.
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kra:
yes, good idea for a different thread. I've never noticed that personally but I have it in my notes now to investigate further with MS Outlook being on alternate desktops. Question, does this still happen in that "mode 2"?
Chris TH
Reply #40 Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:59 PM
Thanks Jeff, that occurred to me also but then I realised it's only with the last 2 builds of BandVWM that it's begun happening.
Prior to that they all played happily together. Has some change in the BandVWM updates occurred that may have triggered this behaviour with SysStats?
I thought I'd ask before running off to Judge (SysStats author).
Reply #40 Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:59 PM
| Chris TH: Not sure Chris, you might want to ask the author of that app. The virtual desktops don't ever generate any keystrokes or fake-send messages to any apps, etc. Other than hiding/showing/moving them around of course. But in the docklets case, this shouldn't matter. Might want to ask the author what other than the actual keycombo (if, say, you disable the key combo altogether) could cause this. |
Thanks Jeff, that occurred to me also but then I realised it's only with the last 2 builds of BandVWM that it's begun happening.
Prior to that they all played happily together. Has some change in the BandVWM updates occurred that may have triggered this behaviour with SysStats?
I thought I'd ask before running off to Judge (SysStats author).
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Reply #21 Wednesday, September 21, 2005 1:57 PM
I'll get a fix out ASAP. In the mean time you can fix it for yourself by creating a "vwmfix.reg" file with what i'll show below as its contents. Load it into your registry and the problem will be fixed. The problem occurs for this group of people: (1) SVD was already installed before this new version was updated (2) The new Stardock Virtual Desktops toolbar was loaded *without* having the "Welcome Screen" program having ran first. (The "Do you want to run this program now?" upon updating in Stardock Central, or the link in the start menu for SVD)
Sorry for the inconvenience, let me know if you have any troubles with it!
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vwmfix.reg:
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Stardock\BandVWM]
"DefaultHotkeysEnabled"=dword:00000001
"NotFirstRun"=dword:00000001
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-Jeff