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Friday, April 8, 2005 by Mithun Pal | Discussion: Internet
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starkers
Reply #42 Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:08 PM
I DON'T...DON'T trust it.....DON'T want it. I dislike advertisers tactics and advertising intensely, and would never willingly get in bed with a company that employs spam and advertising to further it goals.....much less a company that makes its business to know your business.
Reply #42 Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:08 PM
| Everyone needs Gmail. |
I DON'T...DON'T trust it.....DON'T want it. I dislike advertisers tactics and advertising intensely, and would never willingly get in bed with a company that employs spam and advertising to further it goals.....much less a company that makes its business to know your business.
Mithun Pal
Reply #43 Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:44 PM
POP means no ad. So, POP is for you. So, G-Mail is for you.
Gmail users only see relevant text ads, similar to those on Google search results pages . The matching of ads to content is a completely automated process performed by computers. No humans read your email to target the ads, and no email content or other personally identifiable information is ever provided to advertisers.
Ads are matched using the technology that powers the Google AdSense program, which already places targeted ads on thousands of sites across the web by quickly analyzing the content of pages and determining which ads are most relevant to them.
No loading of external images by default. Many marketing or spam messages include hidden "web bugs" embedded in external images. Typically, when these images are loaded, the web bugs signal that the email address is active, thereby helping companies further perfect their recipient list for marketing or spam messages. Not loading external images helps to prevent this.
Reply #43 Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:44 PM
| I dislike advertisers tactics and advertising intensely, and would never willingly get in bed with a company that employs spam and advertising to further it goals.....much less a company that makes its business to know your business. |
POP means no ad. So, POP is for you. So, G-Mail is for you.
Gmail users only see relevant text ads, similar to those on Google search results pages . The matching of ads to content is a completely automated process performed by computers. No humans read your email to target the ads, and no email content or other personally identifiable information is ever provided to advertisers.
Ads are matched using the technology that powers the Google AdSense program, which already places targeted ads on thousands of sites across the web by quickly analyzing the content of pages and determining which ads are most relevant to them.
No loading of external images by default. Many marketing or spam messages include hidden "web bugs" embedded in external images. Typically, when these images are loaded, the web bugs signal that the email address is active, thereby helping companies further perfect their recipient list for marketing or spam messages. Not loading external images helps to prevent this.
kona0197
Reply #44 Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:54 PM
So does my ISP email. And it's much more private. Ad it has no ads.
Reply #44 Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:54 PM
| Everyone needs Gmail. It has more than 2 gigs of storage, and multiple ways of organizing your messages |
So does my ISP email. And it's much more private. Ad it has no ads.
starkers
Reply #45 Friday, November 11, 2005 3:29 AM
No....I have a POP email account through my ISP and am more than satisfied with it, never ever do I see ads, never ever do I get spam or junk mail.
Furthermore, I am guaranteed that once my emails have been downloaded and or deleted, they do not remain on their severs/data banks....an enquiry into an accidentally deleted emailed resulted in: "We no longer have it and cannot provide you a copy." Yes, it means I have to be more careful and make backups, but I'd rather that than have my personal business stored on someone elses machine for months after deletion.
As for the ad insertion being automated (nobody actually reads my mail), I still don't care for the practice of ad placement in correspondence that was never intended to display it.....meaning that senders can and do become unwilling participants in the promotion of something they would otherwise not support. Besides all that, automated systems, no matter how good they are, require some monitoring and human intervention, which to me casts suspicion on the claim that no human eyes ever see your emails. Yes, I am that distrusting, particularly when a company uses stealth and under the radar tactics to penetrate, dominate and control as many nooks and crannies on the internet as it can. Recently, a friend who has Gmail told me that he's sick of seeing ads at the tops and bottoms of his emails...sometimes even between paragraphs, and there's no way on earth I'm ever signing myself up for that.
To me, ads like this are intrusive and an abomination, as are the parasites who proliferate them. If someone intercepts your land mail, it is a criminal offence, punishable by law, as should the interception of emails to place unwelcomed ads be.....unwelcomed being the key word! With countless studies and surveys showing that the majority of people are sick and tired of ads, and therefore shy away to avoid them at all costs, you'd think the ad parasites would get the message...but no, they just find new and more inescapable ways to intrude into as many aspects of our lives as they possibly can.
Yep, I've got one hell of a bee in my bonnet! Advertising is just about everywhere you look: newspapers; magazines; public transport; beside most highways and roads; airports; hotels; most radio and TV stations (even the pay TV I purchased to escape the commercialism).....and I should be able to find sanctuary from it in my personal dealings and correspondence, etc. Furthermore, given the billions and billions of dollars sunk into it, the bulk of advertising is obscene and an insult to ones intelligence! Apart from being inately childish in content, it's too often trying to tell us what we want and need....that some inferior product is a must have item. GRRRRR.
Reply #45 Friday, November 11, 2005 3:29 AM
POP means no ad. So, POP is for you. So, G-Mail is for you. |
No....I have a POP email account through my ISP and am more than satisfied with it, never ever do I see ads, never ever do I get spam or junk mail.
Furthermore, I am guaranteed that once my emails have been downloaded and or deleted, they do not remain on their severs/data banks....an enquiry into an accidentally deleted emailed resulted in: "We no longer have it and cannot provide you a copy." Yes, it means I have to be more careful and make backups, but I'd rather that than have my personal business stored on someone elses machine for months after deletion.
As for the ad insertion being automated (nobody actually reads my mail), I still don't care for the practice of ad placement in correspondence that was never intended to display it.....meaning that senders can and do become unwilling participants in the promotion of something they would otherwise not support. Besides all that, automated systems, no matter how good they are, require some monitoring and human intervention, which to me casts suspicion on the claim that no human eyes ever see your emails. Yes, I am that distrusting, particularly when a company uses stealth and under the radar tactics to penetrate, dominate and control as many nooks and crannies on the internet as it can. Recently, a friend who has Gmail told me that he's sick of seeing ads at the tops and bottoms of his emails...sometimes even between paragraphs, and there's no way on earth I'm ever signing myself up for that.
To me, ads like this are intrusive and an abomination, as are the parasites who proliferate them. If someone intercepts your land mail, it is a criminal offence, punishable by law, as should the interception of emails to place unwelcomed ads be.....unwelcomed being the key word! With countless studies and surveys showing that the majority of people are sick and tired of ads, and therefore shy away to avoid them at all costs, you'd think the ad parasites would get the message...but no, they just find new and more inescapable ways to intrude into as many aspects of our lives as they possibly can.
Yep, I've got one hell of a bee in my bonnet! Advertising is just about everywhere you look: newspapers; magazines; public transport; beside most highways and roads; airports; hotels; most radio and TV stations (even the pay TV I purchased to escape the commercialism).....and I should be able to find sanctuary from it in my personal dealings and correspondence, etc. Furthermore, given the billions and billions of dollars sunk into it, the bulk of advertising is obscene and an insult to ones intelligence! Apart from being inately childish in content, it's too often trying to tell us what we want and need....that some inferior product is a must have item. GRRRRR.
Mithun Pal
Reply #46 Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:42 AM
Reply #46 Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:42 AM
Invitations have been sent to both adn and matt.w. adn has already accepted my invitation.
But, don't know what matt.w is doing. If you don't have received it yet, please let me know.
If there is anyone who mailed me for an invitation and yet not receive any, please leave your massage here or mail me again. It is possible that you send a mail, but somehow I didn't get it.
But, don't know what matt.w is doing. If you don't have received it yet, please let me know.
If there is anyone who mailed me for an invitation and yet not receive any, please leave your massage here or mail me again. It is possible that you send a mail, but somehow I didn't get it.
Mithun Pal
Reply #47 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:12 PM
Invitation has been sent to Jarod Miles and he has accepted it.
If anyone still left, feel free to contact me at [email protected]
Reply #47 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:12 PM
Invitation has been sent to Jarod Miles and he has accepted it.
If anyone still left, feel free to contact me at [email protected]
Mithun Pal
Reply #48 Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:14 AM
Reply #48 Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:14 AM
It's possible in G-Mail also. Just do the following method:
'Settings' ? 'Forwarding and POP' ? in 'POP Download:' section you will find an option 'When messages are accessed with POP' ? from the drop-down list select 'trash Gmail's copy' to delete after downloading massage ? click 'save changes'.
Please don't create a panic here. Here in the following screen shot you can easily see how many ads are there.
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kona0197
Reply #49 Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:26 AM
Reply #49 Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:26 AM
According to your screenshots there are no ads. I know better as I have a gmail account. I see ads all the time. Even one ad is one too many. I still think Gmail invades users privacy by scanning emails even if it is for ads.
Jafo
Reply #50 Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:34 AM
Reply #50 Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:34 AM
Apprentice Himangshu ...your last post mangled the site format.
Be very careful when you select things to 'quote'....
Mithun Pal
Reply #51 Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:01 AM
Reply #51 Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:01 AM
| your last post mangled the site format. Be very careful when you select things to 'quote'. |
Thank you Jafo. Thanks a lot. I've already noticed it and I was just going to contact with some admins here. But, now I find it OK. It was not the quote I used, it's probably the table I used for the screenshot. I knew some problem was there in the coding, but forgot to debug. Thanks for debugging.
Mithun Pal
Reply #52 Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:08 AM
Reply #52 Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:08 AM
| Gmail invades users privacy by scanning emails even if it is for ads. |
In every standard e-mail severs there must be a scanning engine. Hotmail, Yahoo - every standard email server scans the incoming as well as out going mail for security. To project your mailbox from spam, scanning is a must.
starkers
Reply #53 Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:12 PM
Yes, when it serves to protect the recipient from unwelcomed spam and viruses, etc.....NO, when scanning to place unwelcomed ads based on the content, it's unacceptable.
Reply #53 Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:12 PM
| To project your mailbox from spam, scanning is a must |
Yes, when it serves to protect the recipient from unwelcomed spam and viruses, etc.....NO, when scanning to place unwelcomed ads based on the content, it's unacceptable.
Mithun Pal
Reply #54 Friday, November 18, 2005 1:45 AM
Sorry, it should be 'protect' and not 'project'.
Couldn't understand who is placing unwelcomed ads through scanning?
Reply #54 Friday, November 18, 2005 1:45 AM
| To project your mailbox |
Sorry, it should be 'protect' and not 'project'.
| NO, when scanning to place unwelcomed ads based on the content, it's unacceptable. |
Couldn't understand who is placing unwelcomed ads through scanning?
kona0197
Reply #55 Friday, November 18, 2005 2:37 AM
Yep my ISP scans my email for malware and viruses not for content to base an ad on.
Google is.
Reply #55 Friday, November 18, 2005 2:37 AM
| In every standard e-mail severs there must be a scanning engine. Hotmail, Yahoo - every standard email server scans the incoming as well as out going mail for security. |
Yep my ISP scans my email for malware and viruses not for content to base an ad on.
| Couldn't understand who is placing unwelcomed ads through scanning? |
Google is.
Mithun Pal
Reply #56 Friday, November 18, 2005 5:13 AM
If there is any anti-virus only - I think no mail server (at least Hotmail) can depend on AVs only - the checking is only on attachments. But, if there is any spam guard - even at your PC - if working properly must have to scan the internal coding of any incoming and outgoing mail and to check it most trustable method in my opinion - is hex-dumping.
Because, it's the coding that can make a free Hotmail account HotPOP account without any charge. It's the extra coding of a picture that can tell the sender that the recipient is online. The small text files known as cookies contains a very few text, but could be enough harmful. Hex-dump the cookie to view the coding. So, in modern day computing when viruses are getting more and more intelligent, it's not enough to check the files attached; you have validate the incoming server, also verify whether what you get is what you see, i.e., the internal coding.
Reply #56 Friday, November 18, 2005 5:13 AM
| Yep my ISP scans my email for malware and viruses not for content to base an ad on. |
If there is any anti-virus only - I think no mail server (at least Hotmail) can depend on AVs only - the checking is only on attachments. But, if there is any spam guard - even at your PC - if working properly must have to scan the internal coding of any incoming and outgoing mail and to check it most trustable method in my opinion - is hex-dumping.
Because, it's the coding that can make a free Hotmail account HotPOP account without any charge. It's the extra coding of a picture that can tell the sender that the recipient is online. The small text files known as cookies contains a very few text, but could be enough harmful. Hex-dump the cookie to view the coding. So, in modern day computing when viruses are getting more and more intelligent, it's not enough to check the files attached; you have validate the incoming server, also verify whether what you get is what you see, i.e., the internal coding.
starkers
Reply #58 Friday, November 18, 2005 7:49 AM
Reply #58 Friday, November 18, 2005 7:49 AM
Himangshu....no amount of explanation is going to persuade me to trust a company whose fortune is largely derived from advertising and annoying the crap out of people.
Jafo
Reply #59 Friday, November 18, 2005 9:49 AM
Reply #59 Friday, November 18, 2005 9:49 AM
Apprentice Himangshu ...Gmail scans your email content to target YOU with relevant advertising. The scan has exactly NOTHING to do with viruses....and EVERYTHING to do with invasive advertising....to the point of a technical breach of your privacy [but of course you sign that away when you join].
If a 'thing' scans your email CONTENT for keywords to determine what advertising is relevant to YOU then your information content of your email is being intercepted by a party OTHER THAN the one to which it was addressed.
Anyone with half a brain can see that as intrusive...but most are blinded by the gigs of storage...and cliquish 'invites' that make this crap advertising venture look groovy.
Perhaps you're a Gmail employee....or are getting some kick-back for making them sound good....but they ain't. It's a cheap but clever way of doing 'spam' without clogging your intray....
adnauseam
Reply #60 Friday, November 18, 2005 10:48 AM
Reply #60 Friday, November 18, 2005 10:48 AM
Actually, G-Mail is now old hat! It is easy to get and no longer "Exclusive". It does work well though.
Interestingly, it is no longer possible to open a G-Mail account if you have a British address. Apparently, a company in England has copyright for the name in the UK. The address was used by this company for mail to its employees.
Interestingly, it is no longer possible to open a G-Mail account if you have a British address. Apparently, a company in England has copyright for the name in the UK. The address was used by this company for mail to its employees.
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Reply #41 Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:35 AM
In any case, I use my gmail to recieve messages that are high volume such as from professional user groups, association news, and internet association updates... things like that. That way, I can check it whenever I get around to it, and I don't have to worry about it getting shut down because I didn't clean it up. Plus it is anonymous. For professional communication and business transactions, I use my self administered e-mail system. So, I guess you just have to put it in perspective as to what you need for what. Personally, I have my happy medium. Find yours.
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