Editorial.....
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 by Jafo | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Posted on Skinbase....but reposted here to provide food for thought for those who may not go there all that often...
hobnobber...yes, basically all that is correct, though a more accurate estimate of those who contribute via skins, purchases, community input/interaction vs. those who only 'leech' for freebies is very much more than the ratio of 25 to 1....perhaps more in the realm of 2500 to 1....and that's the rub.
When skinning was in its infancy, say 5 years ago, it was all new and thrilling to everyone....now it has grown, not so much with newer apps coming on the scene on a daily basis...that was the 'norm' back in skinz.org [mk.1] days, but now the growth is in general interest/popularity, thanks to Microsoft's added awareness of the concept, with its visual styles, etc.
What you get now is many more 'users' but not a heck of a lot new blood in skinning as skinners as such....certainly not a comparable ratio to the popularity growth.
When once the skinners and their 'community' sites could foot the bill for all, as the majority were like-minded skinners themselves, now it's more a case of 'us and them'...the providers of product vs. the users of the product.
The dynamics have changed. With this change comes commercial pressures on everyone involved.
New specifics require new handling.....people need to cater for the changes with methodology that makes the situation survivable or else viability suffers and the reality of the system falls apart.
Change can be horrid and unpalatable but may just be absolutely necessary and unavoidable.
Anyone involved in the game for long enough can see the writing on the wall....even since the dot-com failings of the likes of eFront that killed the first REAL skinning community we have been striving for sustainability.
Anyone with genuine heart-felt feelings for the skinning community as a whole will realise the necessity to not put heads in the sand and blindly hope life will magically go on as normal, but make a conscious effort to find a sustainable model.
Sure, many will arrive at alternate theories of a working model, but until tried no-one will be sure what actually will succeed or not.
All that can be done is to try our collective best, hence many soul-searching threads on the subject of 'the future of skinning' in one form or another on many/most sites.
Poor old Devart has a massive user-base and being a graphics site demands high bandwidth/server load as does any skinning site at their relative levels.
I remember what the world was like before skinning....[my first foray was with Dos GUI shells - pre Windows...then Win 3x and beyond] and would hate to see the whole skinning world fall apart due to ennui or apathy, hence the hands-on involvement.
Let's all look forward to skinning/GUI modification still being not just 'fun', but sustainable in another 5 years, or 50...
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Reply #42 Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:54 PM
Reply #43 Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:09 PM
| Had post #11 or any previous comment elsewhere by Mr. P been "Oops, sorry", none of this would have happened, I bet. |
...Had I not been slammed from the start, I might have been willing to negotiate an appology - one for one, and be disposed to comply. However under the circumstances, any recoil on my part is beyond my good nature.
This whole thread is becoming obtuse...Can't we all just move on...really?
Reply #44 Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:11 PM
| Pinthar - Can't we all just move on...really? |
apparently not...
Reply #46 Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:20 PM
Pinthar it is true that to start with everyone has a voice. however, this is a private site so the owners are under no obligation to grant anyone a voice if they don't want to. so please remember that having a voice here is a privilege, NOT a right.
beyond this, people are judged by their actions. so, some people's voices carry more weight and respect due to their actions. wandering in and picking an apparently pointless argument with Jafo, or any other site admin (read years of contribution to this community) is hardly a way to earn yourself respect or regard for your opinions.
it seems you are behaving like a twit, and are being treated with the corresponding level of respect. perhaps stepping back and learning a bit about this place before commenting would be wise.
Reply #48 Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:34 PM
Reply #49 Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:39 PM
Reply #51 Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:48 PM
I think you can count on things remaining obtuse, no matter how many girly sighs and emotes you expel...
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Reply #52 Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:17 PM
Reply #53 Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:21 PM
| I think you can count on things remaining obtuse, no matter how many girly sighs and emotes you expel... |
He he, especially when things come from jaFoOn, Feline (snif..snif.. what's that smell? meow)" Travis (Who was cool for a minute). and even more so from you FakerStreet (Rip off of Gerry Raferty). Come on man, really. Don't flatter yourself and think you can match wits with me son.Again. Move on peeps!
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Reply #55 Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:27 PM
Since, as I said, this isn't your thread, why don't you move on. You seem to be the least welcome, right?
Peon.
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Reply #57 Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:34 PM
What are you, a Martin Lawrence wanna be? Next thing you'll be typing stuff such as 'Pam Malone' and 'Annita Faker'
Give it up, you are certainly not as clever as you want to portrait with your cheap shots at sarcasm come backs, but you are certainly a nice comic relief though', almost as funny as UzEE.
As for matching wits with you ‘son’, there isn’t really much to match.
Now be a nice little boy and go play with your Xmas toys.
Reply #58 Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:38 PM
| Why do all good threads go bad |
Obviously because once in a while a little troll find his way thru the cracks of reason and common sense.
Reply #59 Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:42 PM
At least Aporkalips pulled out his dictionary for his retort and said...wait what was it he said...let me read up a sec...o yeah, I see now...he said...nothing.
Reply #60 Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:44 PM
| He he, especially when things come from jaFoOn, Feline (snif..snif.. what's that smell? meow)" Travis (Who was cool for a minute). and even more so from you FakerStreet (Rip off of Gerry Raferty). Come on man, really. Don't flatter yourself and think you can match wits with me son. |
Oh man! he left me out! I want to be made fun of! NOT!
| Peon. |
Didn't you mean to say "troll" baker?
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Reply #41 Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:52 PM
"The truth of the matter is I didn't think..."
Aye, and then instead of bowing to and adopting the site's etiquette, you just set yourselves at odds with it and called an administrator a terrorist. You are well on your way to 'beloved' status, believe me.
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