Thing is, MS has not behaved in users better interests since it forced Win 10 down peoples throats.  That's when any 'goodness' MS had flew out the windows [pun intended.  However, I do like some of the new features Win 11 has to offer and I will upgrade when the time comes. 

Okay, so there may not be an opt out with regards to the MS account, and that is unfortunate for many users who don't know how to bypass it, but I'm not going to waste any time worrying over it.  I shall just create a secondary user account that will be local and use that as my primary account.  Then if I need to download from the store I'll log into directly using my email address... and when I'm done I'll just close it.

First off Jim wearing a mask is so that if you have Covid you don't spread it. That's been proved. If some folks don't give a damn about making others sick because they don't want to do the right thing by wearing a mask I see no problem in forcing them to wear the mask. Why would a responsible person want to make someone else sick with a virus that could possibly kill them? Basically that's what happens. No masks, no social distancing = a lot of sick people. I don't have to tell you this stuff. I know you probably know it.

I don't think that signing into a MS account will kill you. These are two completely different issues with two different ramifications.

When you say "the quickest way to make sure I don't do something is to try and make me do it" it reminds me of the type of thing my kids used to tell me. LOL

Correct...I agree it won't kill you - the account sign on to install, I'm objecting to that sign on business because of this:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/299341-microsoft-needs-to-stop-screwing-with-local-accounts-in-windows-10

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As a side note, what I don't understand: My machine ist not capable of running 11 (yet) but I can run it on Hyper-V as a virtual machine on the very same laptop.

Found this for you, Carl.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-fix-the-windows-11-installation-error-enabling-tpm-and-secure-boot/?ftag=CAD3c77551&bhid=22934121128163694730898056497463&mid=13421239&cid=534432969

That's a pretty good write-up, thanks Seth.  I had worm-holed around in Google a while earlier regarding the TPM and Secure Boot and found several bits and pieces, but nothing as thorough as that.

Glad you found it useful, DaveRI. 👍

Looks like MS is backing down on its processor requirements since they can't explain why i7 Kaby Lake isn't good enough.

That's nice, but, I have a laptop with an Intel i7 5500U (Brandwell-U) 2.4GHz dual Core, and 16GB of RAM, that's been running flawlessly (On Win 10, came loaded with Win 8.1) since I bought it, but yet it's not good enough, and it has TPM 2.0....hope they make big changes on the hardware end of this new OS....(In regards to Seth's post #24).

And to top it off, because of this Ludacris move by MS, sellers (on eBay) are marking up the price (Black Market) of a TPM chip, it's crazy!

 https://regardnews.com/windows-11-caused-tpm-2-0-to-go-to-the-black-market/

The processor thing is independent of TPM 2.0, Don. I've read that their insistence on i8, and Ryzen 2nd generation has to do with chip architecture vulnerability - remember 'Spectre' and 'Meltdown'? Their "fix" caused significant cpu slowdowns.

I know  TPM is separate from the CPU, but not everyone can afford to just go out and buy an new pc, or laptop.

Sidenote, I was able to run an Insider Program Dev of Win 11 on said machine, cause for the time being, they are waving the hardware limitation during the Dev edition, I like the looks of Win 11, but it does not like Windowblinds, Start10, and especially Fences, I went through a continuous loop say (Fences Error message) Explorer didn't properly shut down, click close, it keeps popping up, I finally had to do a shut down, by holding down the power button, till it shut down, then I started up and went in and uninstalled all Stardock products, and things ran fine, so, Stardock has there work cut out, but, then, they may already be working on this. Win 11 did get rid of the "ribbon" on Explorer title bar, that's nice, you also (on Dev edition) can't change the taskbar, you can't stretch it, or move it to the right, left, or top, just bottom only, this may change on the final version, so there are some changes.   

I'm really curious.  How well did it run in general as compared to Win10 - about the same, little faster, little slower?  Intel tells me that's a 5th generation running @ 2.4/3.0ghz.

Yes Dave, it's a 5th Gen Intel CPU, and after I unloaded the Stardock apps, it ran good, about the same as my Win 10 OS, I'm sure performance would have been better on an 8th Gen Intel, but not having one to run on, I can't say for sure, I mean, I do have an 8th Gen Intel, but I'm not ready to add Dev Win 11 on my main system. However, I did a clean install back to Win 10, I'm gonna retry the Insider Program Dev Win 11, and see what happens.

Thanks, that's what I was wondering, how well an older processor might deal with it.  It's hard to tell sometimes.   

The deal breaker for me would be the taskbar color. It has to be black with no transparency. And for those of you that are curious, I don't use Windowblinds. 

Guess I won't be installing Windows 11 here:

Says I'm OK for 11 

My Intel NUC 8th Gen i5, is good to go.

However, I am running the Dev edition (Windows Insider Program) of Win 11 on my 5th Gen i7 laptop, it meets all min requirements, with the exception of the CPU, but, in the Dev edition of Win 11, Microsoft is making exceptions to the min requirements. 

so I ran the other check and it's OK for 11 

What you heard is wrong.  I have Win11 running on two old PCs, one upgrade, one clean install and on both, I have no problem installing apps NOT from the MS Store.

Same is true of other Browsers.  I am using FireFox and Opera without any issues.

NOT been my experience.  I am running on old Win10 Insider Dev desktop and it will not Upgrade to Win11 or clean install Win11 because it fails the Secure Boot and TPM checks.  While SOME machine are getting upgraded, the MS claim that Win10 Insider Dev machine will be able to install Win11 is not true in general.