Apocalypse_67
Saturday, July 26, 2003 by EventHorizon | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I was reading a thread that requested a wallpaper with a 'Ship in a bottle". As the reminded me of A_67's 'Bottled Voyage', I did a search through the walls but came up with nothing. I then found his SN in the commenst of one of my walls and clicked it and View Authors Skins...Theres nothing there... Am I missing something? Has there been an error? Or has he left? 
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Lady_Akasha
Reply #22 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:18 AM
You're statement only validates out belief! You DON'T LISTEN! We're not merely talking about moderation. Again, I say it's only a MORSEL! We're cowards because we choose to be treated like human beings? We're childish because we say no more! No more condescending CRAP! No more BULL! No more political crap! That's ridiculous! You see it everyday here, if you insist on staying stuck on the moderation aspect and won't listen to anything else, fine lets go there. And I won't mention names, however I've seen things 'accepted' that were AWFUL, however coincidentally this very same person happens to be the latest suck up and teachers pet....now bobbyboo created something quite good gets rejected ahhhh but he ain't doin' enough suckin' up to the 'community'! I know I'm not the only one noticing that! And FYI NO I Have NOT had anything rejected in the last couple of weeks and that's why I'm on this tangent...I haven't even submitted anything since It's a Mystery. So don't say I'm pissed because my last submission was rejected.
And EVERYTIME I open my proggies I "ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE" that I propose to MYSELF to do better and evolve and bust my butt to improve and progress. Being rejected or approved doesn't give me that challenge. I .... Lady Akasha.... TONJA give myself that challenge!
Reply #22 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:18 AM
| #20 by Scribe Fuzzy Logic - 7/27/2003 10:43:33 AM The only thing childish here is people packing their bags just because their work isn't good enough to pass moderation. Go run to DA where there's no moderation. Don't accept the challenge of improving your work to pass moderation. Do run home to momma everytime someone says something you don't like.Just accept what you are is all you'll ever be... |
You're statement only validates out belief! You DON'T LISTEN! We're not merely talking about moderation. Again, I say it's only a MORSEL! We're cowards because we choose to be treated like human beings? We're childish because we say no more! No more condescending CRAP! No more BULL! No more political crap! That's ridiculous! You see it everyday here, if you insist on staying stuck on the moderation aspect and won't listen to anything else, fine lets go there. And I won't mention names, however I've seen things 'accepted' that were AWFUL, however coincidentally this very same person happens to be the latest suck up and teachers pet....now bobbyboo created something quite good gets rejected ahhhh but he ain't doin' enough suckin' up to the 'community'! I know I'm not the only one noticing that! And FYI NO I Have NOT had anything rejected in the last couple of weeks and that's why I'm on this tangent...I haven't even submitted anything since It's a Mystery. So don't say I'm pissed because my last submission was rejected.
And EVERYTIME I open my proggies I "ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE" that I propose to MYSELF to do better and evolve and bust my butt to improve and progress. Being rejected or approved doesn't give me that challenge. I .... Lady Akasha.... TONJA give myself that challenge!
Lady_Akasha
Reply #23 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:24 AM
Reply #23 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:24 AM
Let me make this clear, I wasn't talking about any 'one' person in that last thread! It was a scenario I created from things I've witnessed,and comments I've heard about the way other's have felt at times as well. So no one go trying to 'guess'who that ONE is. There is no just one.
EventHorizon
Reply #24 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:31 AM
Reply #24 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:31 AM
Sorry to see your stuff go A_67. 
Oh well, you must've had a good reason, and knowing that is good enough for me. I didnt mean to turn this into a debate, although, thats what it seems to have become.
Personally, I like WC better than DA, but that just me. If you like them vice-versa, than that's personal prefrence. ("To each, his own" and all that) I think WC has enough 'community' to keep me from leaving...and I do like the fact that there are mods here. They make you try harder to create something better. Whereas, if you didnt have them, ppl would always get their Wall or WB or other skin accepted on the first try (possibly with many bugs or it being just plain crap)and then move on to something else. It makes for higher quality instead of higher quantity. I think that there are far too many people who whine and complain like little kids, "Why wasnt my ___ (Fill in the blank) accepted???" To them, pipe down and try harder. Of course, you may feel that you made a truly remarkable wall or skin... and it got rejected. That can be frustrating and also is one of the weaknesses of moderation...Acceptance is based on the opinion of a few. If they dont like it, then forget it. BUT, they seen have done a fairly good job of keeping the -uh- 'not so good' stuff out. (IMHO with a few exceptions) So, if it's been rejected, then either its 'not so good' or, they are having a bad day.
Possibly email them and get a response as to why your ___ wasnt accepted. 
Oh well, you must've had a good reason, and knowing that is good enough for me. I didnt mean to turn this into a debate, although, thats what it seems to have become. Personally, I like WC better than DA, but that just me. If you like them vice-versa, than that's personal prefrence. ("To each, his own" and all that) I think WC has enough 'community' to keep me from leaving...and I do like the fact that there are mods here. They make you try harder to create something better. Whereas, if you didnt have them, ppl would always get their Wall or WB or other skin accepted on the first try (possibly with many bugs or it being just plain crap)and then move on to something else. It makes for higher quality instead of higher quantity. I think that there are far too many people who whine and complain like little kids, "Why wasnt my ___ (Fill in the blank) accepted???" To them, pipe down and try harder. Of course, you may feel that you made a truly remarkable wall or skin... and it got rejected. That can be frustrating and also is one of the weaknesses of moderation...Acceptance is based on the opinion of a few. If they dont like it, then forget it. BUT, they seen have done a fairly good job of keeping the -uh- 'not so good' stuff out. (IMHO with a few exceptions) So, if it's been rejected, then either its 'not so good' or, they are having a bad day.
Possibly email them and get a response as to why your ___ wasnt accepted. 
Apocalypse_67
Reply #25 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:38 AM
Actually my work is more than good to pass moderation. 300.000 plus downloads in less than 4 months proved that.
I have seen the challenge, I have accepted it, I have confronted it and I have overcome it. Simply because those are the skills that I have been endowed with. Going from a regular wallpaper designer to skinning WB and Winamp [and experimenting with icons] gives me such confidence.
The only place I run back to is 'the drawing board' when ever I see or hear that my work could use some improvement.
I my self [and perhaps some of the other artist that left] didn’t remove my work because it was moderated or because someone said it was ugly or because it didn’t get accepted. I removed it for the type of treatment and comments just like the one you just typed.
I have never let any negative comments bother me. I know how to accept criticism, if I couldn’t deal with critics, then I’m not fit to be an artist.
What I will not deal with is the rudeness and unfair treatment from people that just because they hold a little position of 'power' think they can do and say as they please.
Reply #25 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:38 AM
| #20 by Scribe Fuzzy Logic - 7/27/2003 10:43:33 AM The only thing childish here is people packing their bags just because their work isn't good enough to pass moderation. |
Actually my work is more than good to pass moderation. 300.000 plus downloads in less than 4 months proved that.
| Go run to DA where there's no moderation. Don't accept the challenge of improving your work to pass moderation. |
I have seen the challenge, I have accepted it, I have confronted it and I have overcome it. Simply because those are the skills that I have been endowed with. Going from a regular wallpaper designer to skinning WB and Winamp [and experimenting with icons] gives me such confidence.
| Do run home to momma every time someone says something you don't like. |
The only place I run back to is 'the drawing board' when ever I see or hear that my work could use some improvement.
I my self [and perhaps some of the other artist that left] didn’t remove my work because it was moderated or because someone said it was ugly or because it didn’t get accepted. I removed it for the type of treatment and comments just like the one you just typed.
I have never let any negative comments bother me. I know how to accept criticism, if I couldn’t deal with critics, then I’m not fit to be an artist.
What I will not deal with is the rudeness and unfair treatment from people that just because they hold a little position of 'power' think they can do and say as they please.
DavidK
Reply #26 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:38 AM
Reply #26 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:38 AM
We're planning to stop moderating walls, just use the ratings system to filter them, precisely because of threads like this. Will it make everyone feel better? I doubt it but we're willing to try.
I'd like to ask a question of everyone in this thread and the other one that's so similar...
What would you recommend to fix the problems you see?
please be specific in what the problem is and what you think would solve it
Styl-X Design
Reply #27 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:50 AM
Reply #27 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:50 AM
YEAH!!! Stop moderating the walls rulez! Men, you don't know how much I am looking forward to dolphins and silver spherez!! WOHOOOOO!! 
DavidK
Reply #30 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:54 AM
Reply #30 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:54 AM
The submission rules would still be in place so no Britney's - sorry
This is a concern though. We don't want to just shift the angst to those who appreciate moderation.
DavidK
Reply #31 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:56 AM
Reply #31 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:56 AM
The problems expressed in this and the other thread aren't just moderation or ratings. I would like to see the people that are really complaining offer a simple statement of the problem and their solution.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #32 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:59 AM
Reply #32 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:59 AM
I doubt if removing moderation is going to solve anything. People have convinced themselves there's some kind of conspiracy going on. Whatever. All I know is I come here for some relaxation and all I see day in day out is these kind of threads. If it wears me out you can imagine what it does for the Admins.
Pity people can't channel all this energy into creating rather than destroying and leave the rest of the universe to take care of itself.
Pity people can't channel all this energy into creating rather than destroying and leave the rest of the universe to take care of itself.
Styl-X Design
Reply #33 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:00 PM
Reply #33 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:00 PM
And finaly I can upload 'still trapped in bryce world' witch I ripped from jafo 
No, for serious, please keep the moderation in place. The wallpaper section already isn't the best section, and it would become MUCH worse. There are 1000 of wallpaper artist so I think the section just would be flooded...
Try to make both of us happy and moderate it just not so hard.
No, for serious, please keep the moderation in place. The wallpaper section already isn't the best section, and it would become MUCH worse. There are 1000 of wallpaper artist so I think the section just would be flooded...
Try to make both of us happy and moderate it just not so hard.
goodmorphing
Reply #34 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:16 PM Some people were here and found that the community here didn't exactly fit their points-of-view. There were arguments, and name calling back and forth with people who do love this place and defended it and then the people left to a new wonder-world that they claim makes them happy. There they created their own little community and claim that it is bliss. Now they come back from Wonderworld angry and digging up arguments and calling us names (I think in post #16 I got called stupid among other things). Arguments are never pretty, the abuse came from both sides and still does. They claim to have found paradise there and I am glad for them. No community can be all things to all people. I have outgrown certain communities and moved on. I didn't lay all the blame on the community for not marching to my drum, nor did I ever go about bashing the old community. Neither did I go back to it on the attack. I moved on and built the next phase of my life.
Whatever changes happen, please don't let it be the loud, strident, my-way-or-no-way voices that rule the day.
Reply #34 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:16 PM
Some people were here and found that the community here didn't exactly fit their points-of-view. There were arguments, and name calling back and forth with people who do love this place and defended it and then the people left to a new wonder-world that they claim makes them happy. There they created their own little community and claim that it is bliss. Now they come back from Wonderworld angry and digging up arguments and calling us names (I think in post #16 I got called stupid among other things). Arguments are never pretty, the abuse came from both sides and still does. They claim to have found paradise there and I am glad for them. No community can be all things to all people. I have outgrown certain communities and moved on. I didn't lay all the blame on the community for not marching to my drum, nor did I ever go about bashing the old community. Neither did I go back to it on the attack. I moved on and built the next phase of my life. Whatever changes happen, please don't let it be the loud, strident, my-way-or-no-way voices that rule the day.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #35 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:28 PM
Reply #35 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:28 PM
People aren't happy with moderation, they aren't happy with rating, not happy with download counts etc etc. No-one ever comes up with a solution, only a problem. Some people aren't going to be happy no matter what you do. They are the ones with the problem, unfortunately, we have to put up with it too.
So, ok, here's a simple suggestion for wallpapers for you to shoot down. How about having them completely un-moderated but with a limited life? Say, a wall gets 1000 downloads in a month or it's zapped. That way the walls which are most appreciated by the people who use them remain on the site and the rest get binned. Assuming people trust the download count
So, ok, here's a simple suggestion for wallpapers for you to shoot down. How about having them completely un-moderated but with a limited life? Say, a wall gets 1000 downloads in a month or it's zapped. That way the walls which are most appreciated by the people who use them remain on the site and the rest get binned. Assuming people trust the download count
c242
Reply #36 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:38 PM
Reply #36 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:38 PM
The first reason why I left DA once was NO MODERATION. I am there again because of friends whose submissions I will miss otherwise and the problem I had with a submission and it's submitter was solved at the end. If You look closer at my profile http://c242.deviantart.com/ , You will see a 'Policy Violation' dated September, 2002 there. That was the result of a heavy discussion. I am not angry anymore, because I was very harsh (as a german I feel kind of sick of someone that uses Nazi symbols) about that 'Freedom of Speech' for every price that is practiced at DA. But I can't bash the whole community and all moderators/admins there for it. Took some time to realize that...
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #37 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:40 PM
Reply #37 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:40 PM
No rules had a good suggestion.Letting people moderate themselves by giving every user level a set # of walls they can post.Then they could rotate their own stock.(say 10 -20 for citizen,30 or so for apprentice,and so on...you get the idea) OR...go with a logged on user dl count to determine if something stays.Everything would get a chance but if no one dl'ed it ,out it would go.The ratings system is too easily abused and you would end up with a new group of unhappy campers. (just to be fair I would enact the new rules to all existing walls as well as new)
c242
Reply #38 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:42 PM
Reply #38 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:42 PM
Fuzzy : It's a good idea, but we will see the next wave of moanings here then, just because people didn't read (this is a problem that still arrises quite often here) the policy and therefore are totally unaware of it. I just have to look at the board... How many people have realized that we have three sections now ? 15 percent ? 
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #39 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:46 PM
Reply #39 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:46 PM
That crack about wall artist being "ten a penny" was way out of line.Artist the quality of Apoc. and Akasha should be highly valued.Think back to the very first thing you ever changed about windows and i'll bet it was the desktop background.To think that walls are not an important part of skinning is just silly.Ever used a really great skin with out some kind of matching wall?Just not right.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #40 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:47 PM
Reply #40 Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:47 PM
I remember that wall from DA and the discussion which followed. That's just the kind of problem zero moderation causes. It wouldn't happen here because we would still have Admins checking submissions for inappropriate material.
It's a sad fact most people never read anything...
It's a sad fact most people never read anything...
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Reply #21 Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:04 AM
It's DONE...We are leaving...slowly but we are! No worries. I'm sure soon enough more will leave as well!
Nothing is perfect, no where is perfect. However, I personally have been there a while now. And I must say, at first I was scared to death of that place being all that I'd heard. HOWEVER as things began to change here,I began to give that place more of a chance. And I"m sorry you are VERY WRONG! The moderation is only a MORSEL of the problems here. At DA basically sink or swim. If you're good enough you will get recognized, if you're not you won't that's reality. What makes it so great for so many of us, those who haven't found 'community' here have CREATED one there. As we ALL wanted that. NO BULL, NO POLITICS, We are NOT competing against one another,we encourage, support and desire to see our fellow friends/artists there thrive. My dear friend Nikos said it best in a note on page about the wonderful display of community that we've shown and created in our circle. Another dear man, Green Armani,always willing to lend a hand, teach what he knows unselfishly! and so much more, we support each other. BS NEVER EVER comes into Play! Not once! (Yeah Jark has his moments