Wallpapers
Monday, March 24, 2003 by eddieX | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I am disgusted from the way you have treated me. I have sent you 5-6 wallpapers (fairly good) and did not accept anyone. It is the last time I send you any wallpapers. >
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JamMeister33
Reply #22 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:08 PM
Reply #22 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:08 PM
Well said A_67, it is a paradox isn't it?
The irony of it all never ceases to amaze me, but we are all individuals and we each have individual taste.
Therein lies the enigma, I believe.
The irony of it all never ceases to amaze me, but we are all individuals and we each have individual taste.
Therein lies the enigma, I believe.
paxx
Reply #24 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:21 AM
Reply #24 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:21 AM
eddieX, I went to look at your rejected wallpapers.
So, take it or leave it, but the type of wallpaper you make almost has the "Made with Bryce" signature on it.
I suggest you learn some other graphics tool or learn to use Bryce a bit more creatively so it looks like you made it yourself not let a program make the wallpaper for you.
I suggest yo read the upload guidelines. There is a paragraph about wallpaper moderation. https://www.wincustomize.com/guidelines.asp
So, take it or leave it, but the type of wallpaper you make almost has the "Made with Bryce" signature on it.
I suggest you learn some other graphics tool or learn to use Bryce a bit more creatively so it looks like you made it yourself not let a program make the wallpaper for you.
I suggest yo read the upload guidelines. There is a paragraph about wallpaper moderation. https://www.wincustomize.com/guidelines.asp
Weaksid
Reply #25 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:41 AM
Reply #25 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:41 AM
I have had many rejected, one accepted, then more rejected. I haven't done much lately though in the graphics. I'm slacking. I have ideas but I don't think much would make it as wallpapers on here. 
But who know's what will become of it. Once I get things situated I will attempt again. eddieX, Basically just keep trying. Push yourself further, spend more time on it, etc. Or if you can't get the walls, maybe move on to skinning something. Which is possible.
But who know's what will become of it. Once I get things situated I will attempt again. eddieX, Basically just keep trying. Push yourself further, spend more time on it, etc. Or if you can't get the walls, maybe move on to skinning something. Which is possible.
Styl-X Design
Reply #26 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:49 AM
Reply #26 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:49 AM
hey, put something online somewhere, you're making me curiouse if your walls are 'really' good, or you just think they are...
JamMeister33
Reply #27 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:03 AM
Reply #27 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:03 AM
I have no idea what your walls look like but you just might take Weaksids advice and try your hand at skinning something... 
Styl-X Design
Reply #28 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:07 AM take jamms advice buddy... he's always right... well... 
ok, this time
Reply #28 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:07 AM
take jamms advice buddy... he's always right... well... 
ok, this time
PrincessHirmer5167
Reply #29 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:14 AM
Reply #29 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:14 AM
To BoXXi....I would like to take the risk...and make a comment here. I am having a hard time understanding WC rules of submission. ( I have read them). It appears to me...and PLEASE Correct me if I'm wrong. That's why I'm writing this. But it seems to me that on here it's not a matter of what you know, but who you know and how much you have contributed to the site. I have seen wallpapers from people that have been on WC probably since it's creation that submit wallpapers that are just plain UGLY. But it seems that they get accepted because they have contributed a lot of skins. People keep saying on these threads that they encourage negative remarks about their work because it makes them do better. But what about the newbies that are learning and contribute that don't get their work accepted. It would appear to me that if they were accepted (once) that the maker would get comments on how to improve what they are doing. Instead, their work is rejected and they get discouraged from making anymore skins. Please help me and perhaps other newbies to understand what it is exactly that you are looking for. Thank You.
paxx
Reply #30 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:34 AM
Reply #30 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:34 AM
Princess, people with Journeyman access or higher do not go through moderation. Their uploads are automatically approved. Usually, we only promote to Journeyman people who we trust the quality of their work. But it can happen that some piece of work from those people once in a while are not top quality. We have been known to go back and reject some wallpapers that had been automatically approved because of the Jorneyman status of its author. But I must admit that is not a habit we have.
Usually, people with Journeyman status are trusted to upload quality work.
There are a few reasons why it's like that. For one, it alleviates a bit the amount of moderation we have to do, and for two it's a way to reward people who have been contributing for a long time with their quality of work. Since we can't pay them, it seems fair that we reward them in some way.
Hope this clarifies the question.
Usually, people with Journeyman status are trusted to upload quality work.
There are a few reasons why it's like that. For one, it alleviates a bit the amount of moderation we have to do, and for two it's a way to reward people who have been contributing for a long time with their quality of work. Since we can't pay them, it seems fair that we reward them in some way.
Hope this clarifies the question.
PrincessHirmer5167
Reply #31 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:45 AM
Reply #31 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:45 AM
Thank You Paxx for explaining that, however, I did assume that someone with highter status would get their work automatically accepted, and I agree with you, they SHOULD be rewarded for their hard work, as should everyone who makes a skin who makes a skin that gets accepted. My other question is...so many of the wallpapers and skins (by everyone) not just Journeymen look very much alike, like they were almost copied. I know that a lot of work goes into making skins and wallpapers, I spent countless hours on the one in my profile, I didn't expect it to be accepted, I just wanted something in my profile. So please tell me what I could have done differently. I've seen wallpapers from "citizens" that weren't that good..
JamMeister33
Reply #32 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:20 AM
Reply #32 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:20 AM
Everyone has their own opinion, or else things would get awfully boring.......
paxx
Reply #33 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:23 AM
Reply #33 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:23 AM
I have to agree with you one that one.
But for skins and wallpapers we are talking about 2 different beasts. We do not moderate skins for quality, only wallpapers. The only reason we reject skins are for copyright reasons, for the most part (as well as other ethic reasons such as pornography or such). Wallpapers on the other hand, we moderate, as you know.
So, if indeed we agree that a lot of skins are starting to look alike, we won't do much about it, other than hoping that some talented skinners start getting a bit more originality. Also, there is the "popularity syndrome". Some people are only after the download numbers, and I can tell you that often, the most popular skins are the least original ones. A lot of people have very conservative tastes.
As for wallpapers, we have actually started talking about it. Indeed we found that a lot of wallpapers are starting to look alike. There seems to be an increasing number of people making 3D abstract kindof wallpapers. Although we have nothing against these, when it startes being pretty much the only thing that gets submitted, something needs to be done. So, we may start being even more picky on the wallpapers and the Bryce stuff may even more than before start to be rejected. Not because they are not nice, but because we want a bit more diversity. But again, it's very informal yet, nothing has been officially decided.
But for skins and wallpapers we are talking about 2 different beasts. We do not moderate skins for quality, only wallpapers. The only reason we reject skins are for copyright reasons, for the most part (as well as other ethic reasons such as pornography or such). Wallpapers on the other hand, we moderate, as you know.
So, if indeed we agree that a lot of skins are starting to look alike, we won't do much about it, other than hoping that some talented skinners start getting a bit more originality. Also, there is the "popularity syndrome". Some people are only after the download numbers, and I can tell you that often, the most popular skins are the least original ones. A lot of people have very conservative tastes.
As for wallpapers, we have actually started talking about it. Indeed we found that a lot of wallpapers are starting to look alike. There seems to be an increasing number of people making 3D abstract kindof wallpapers. Although we have nothing against these, when it startes being pretty much the only thing that gets submitted, something needs to be done. So, we may start being even more picky on the wallpapers and the Bryce stuff may even more than before start to be rejected. Not because they are not nice, but because we want a bit more diversity. But again, it's very informal yet, nothing has been officially decided.
PrincessHirmer5167
Reply #34 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:34 AM
Reply #34 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:34 AM
I guess I didn't realize that it could be a "popularity syndrome", but now that you've mentioned it, I can certainly see that it can be. Thanks explaining all this to me.
JamMeister33
Reply #35 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:41 AM
Reply #35 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:41 AM
Well Bryce especially gets slammed on this site and it's your site so that's fine by you but I have seen so many photoshop wallpapers on this site that not only all look the same they are extremely ugly. Nothing but patterns and meaningless text and other typical photoshop filter work. If that's what it takes to get your walls accepted here you can count me out.
I make every effort to be more innovative with my work but the stuff I see coming from photoshop turns me right off.
Just my opinion of course and I do notice that a lot of the stuff I find especially unappealing is also extremely popular just going by the download counts. Guess my taste just differs dramatically from your average person's.
I make every effort to be more innovative with my work but the stuff I see coming from photoshop turns me right off.
Just my opinion of course and I do notice that a lot of the stuff I find especially unappealing is also extremely popular just going by the download counts. Guess my taste just differs dramatically from your average person's.
PrincessHirmer5167
Reply #36 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:47 AM
Reply #36 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:47 AM
Jam do you use Bryce? I don't know anything about Bryce, I use Paint Shop7, should I be using something else to enhance my wallpapers? Since I am new at this, I'm not sure what program to use, I just picked that one..
PrincessHirmer5167
Reply #37 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:48 AM
Reply #37 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:48 AM
and...don't they all do pretty much the same thing???
JamMeister33
Reply #38 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:54 AM
Reply #38 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:54 AM
Princess^Hirmer, yes I use almost exclusively Bryce for my wallpapers, I am learning Paint Shop Pro and Photoshop, I also use Painter a lot and I am currently trying to incorporated several programs into each work. No, they don't all do the same thing.
Each program has marked differences. I say use whatever you want to use as long as YOU are pleased with the results.
Each program has marked differences. I say use whatever you want to use as long as YOU are pleased with the results.
JamMeister33
Reply #39 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:56 AM
Reply #39 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:56 AM
Of course they may still get rejected here but "never say die".
JamMeister33
Reply #40 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:57 AM
Reply #40 Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:57 AM
Now I gotta run, so everyone please have a great day will ya!......
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Reply #21 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:36 PM
But overall, and just like G_A said it. The feeling an artist gets when one of his disign is accepted and people start to download and comment on it, it's very satisfactory.
Keep up the good work guys and dont give up.