you need to fix this site $30 a year is a rip off if I can't doownload anything!

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 by Randall Lind | Discussion: New Users

it takes forever to search and to go to another page. I was about to pay $30 but I don 't think it worth it since you all seem not to keep this site running right.

 

When I came here couple years ago it rocked. I didn't sign up for a pay subscription cause I thought Objectdock was pointless but, since getting Vista I now love it.

 

Fix this site and I will pay.

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WeatherBound
Reply #21 Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:34 PM

Shelby Gt

Nicely said!

 

I do wish that WC on Home page would communicate and keep us all updated on the Home page in some form saying that the the site is being updated.

That would Stop most of this type of posts.

 

 

Thuglifejunior
Reply #22 Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:10 PM

Shelby...Here, Here my good man..Here, Here

neophil78
Reply #23 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:23 AM

So be part of the community and put your money on what is needed to help these people no matter how things are now. Think of the future. Do not live for today -

That was what said years ago too ...

NightTrainthedark
Reply #24 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:06 AM

If everyone will take a deep breath and think a bit more as to what has been an on going process here lately... The site is in the process of being moved still. The servers contain lots of very valuable information and we do not want anything to happen to that at all. Plus as we speak of problems - there are always server problems with any site that has as many world wide visitors as this site has.

You want to talk about paying for something well I have everything you can get from this site almost for the next 4 years already paid for in advance. Thus I've seen everything here that comes and goes for a while now. That and plan on being here even if those servers go down! I'd be willing to jump on a plane and fly up there and help these people no matter what the cost too!

My point is - If you are going to be part of this community? You have to bear in mind it has it's ups and downs a lot as does regular life. Sure things are running a bit slow or not as good as some would like them. But give it time and this site will come back and be faster than it ever has been.

So give them a break and think on the bright side of things... If you really want that program - then buy it! If you really want to be part of skinning - then try it out and be one! Skinners are really good hard working people and there are some of the best skinners here at this site there is on this planet.

Plus Stardock is the home in my book for the top skinners that I know of anywhere on the net! The people who work for Stardock are just as good or for that matter the best there is also. Because they try their best to work with people to give them the best there is for most everything we use to skin with.

So slow site for now and what will it be tomorrow? I'll tell you again - it will be better to wait and have the best than rush people and get just what it is they give you. I always see people trying to do things in a rush and it never gets done right. Be patient and this will be a better site with faster downloads and more stuff for skinners than anywhere you can find out there on the net. As it has been for a long while!

You should consider buying what you want no matter how the site is at this point. Paying for sub here is what you should do to contribute to helping these people get things done. Not so you believe you get everything as you want it all the time. Sure it would nice if we all lived in a perfedt world. But we do not and time will tell what is what and who is who here and now.

So be part of the community and put your money on what is needed to help these people no matter how things are now. Think of the future. Do not live for today - it is tomorrow that comes every morning and it can be for the better with a little help!

Thank you and good day!

 

so in lesser words...

 

Shut up... accept that things may never meet your expectation... and send in your money regardless of your past experience.

"insert wise ass smilie here"

 

Alternate Setting
Reply #25 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:42 AM

I find speed of access comes and goes.  I had an awful time for ages with one ISP, changed over to a new one, packets were routed differently and I had a much improved experience. 

As to value, some days I think of Wincustomize as being untidy,  like a teenagers bedroom that I just wish someone would tidy up and make right, other times it's a treasure trove of hidden delights.  Choose what, when I break it down to the monthly/daily rate, I find it hard to find a reason to feel cheated. 

kenwas
Reply #26 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:54 AM

So be part of the community and put your money on what is needed to help these people no matter how things are now. Think of the future. Do not live for today - it is tomorrow that comes every morning and it can be for the better with a little help!

It is a simple fact that the site does not work properly and we recieve prescious little information as to the status of the server moves etc and when to expect a positive result.  It is not unreasonable to ask for an update which has now been done in a least three threads on this subject with out response.

Spare me the "it's a small world after all" lecture.

NightTrainthedark
Reply #27 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:50 AM

As to value, some days I think of Wincustomize as being untidy, like a teenagers bedroom that I just wish someone would tidy up and make right, other times it's a treasure trove of hidden delights. Choose what, when I break it down to the monthly/daily rate, I find it hard to find a reason to feel cheated.

 

I don't think anyone is implying they feel cheated. Just dissapointed.

ShelbyGT_The_Car
Reply #28 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:29 AM

Spare me the "it's a small world after all" lecture.

Thanks Ken for the support...

I don't think anyone is implying they feel cheated. Just dissapointed.

Well NT it is not like we all bought a new security system or something is it?

kenwas
Reply #29 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:02 AM

 

Thanks Ken for the support...

 

The best support for the site is to congratulate when they do well and keep them on their toes when they do not.  As Thomas Jefferson said,

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Alternate Setting
Reply #30 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:37 AM

Night Train


I don't think anyone is implying they feel cheated. Just dissapointed.

Hi Fella - hope life's treating you well.

I get that about disappointment, I've bought a couple of Master skins in the past that took me 2 days to download with my last ISP, aggravating wasn't the word and I just kept at it until I found a window of opportunity.  The title though injudiciously uses the words 'rip off'.     While as you say, I can feel disappointed when the site isn't as immediately accessible as I'd like, I don't feel disappointed or ripped off by the overall balance - partly because I do find it easy to accept that there is a community element that plays into how Wincustomize works and it can impact on my experience in both good and not so good ways.  I'm fairly sure that if there was a particular issue I was having, for instance with those Master Skins I couldn't download, that if I'd contacted the sales dept. they would have worked with me to resolve it.  I'm also fairly sure that if I'd paid for something that couldn't be delivered, they would work with me to achieve a satisfactory outcome.

I do think I remember that Frogboy has in the past supported this from Voltaire ('Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien.')  "The best (or perfect) is the enemy of the good", which while I understand this as an initial 'freeing of personal intertia' philosophy, I don't normally feel it's a suitable basis for a provision of goods/service standard.  Maybe, if there are a substantial number of subscribers who are unable to access a good balance and it isn't being resolved, that philosophy may be an underlying element.  However, if as is more likely,  the open, and for the majority free, nature of Wincustomize itself creates an imbalance which means that the 'best or perfect' is necessarily unsupportable regardless of personal philosophy, then the remainder 'good enough' must eventually come down to consensus - and if the consensus of the subscribers is that 'good enough' is not in fact 'good enough', nor is there a sense in which it is to be achieved under present constraints, then if the present role of subscription is to continue how should sustainable change be achieved?  Where will the balance be altered, and how will resources be paid for?  Questions that must be met if the OP's cry of "Fix this site and I will pay" is to be achieved.

If the OP can say he has contacted the techs, worked with them and the ISP to see if there are routing issues that can be resolved, checked there aren't any local issues such as his own on board security and is still unable to achieve reasonable access, then the OP can say it's not for him and as you say, state disappointment.   It doesn't seem reasonable or useful to post a personal problem using generalisations, while at the same time offering no stated attempt to take steps to identify/resolve the issues he's having, and then extrapolate that into a potential rip off.

 

 

kenwas
Reply #31 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:08 AM

If the OP can say he has contacted the techs, worked with them and the ISP to see if there are routing issues that can be resolved, checked there aren't any local issues such as his own on board security and is still unable to achieve reasonable access, then the OP can say it's not for him and as you say, state disappointment. It doesn't seem reasonable or useful to post a personal problem using generalisations, while at the same time offering no stated attempt to take steps to identify/resolve the issues he's having, and then extrapolate that into a potential rip off.

Good to see you AS! I think what you say is all true but only in a vacuum.  Many of the comments, including NTs, are many in the context of three different threads all this week about serious performance issues with WC and the lack of any significant response as to the staus of the server transfers.

Alternate Setting
Reply #32 Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:26 PM

Hi Ken & thanks - a pleasure as always.

michaelpedersen
Reply #33 Friday, November 21, 2008 7:50 PM

I have just starting looking around myself. I don't think the price is a ripoff but I have a couple issues. Well a few that are holding me back. I am thinking of moving back to Mac. However Stardock's software has made Vista much more liveable so I don't know. My only problems with the site are it's slowness, inability to select a page number, and limited sort options. I would like to skip pages, several if I want. I would also like the option to sort by Master Skin, or highest rated. Other than those caveats I am ready to shell out the cash. If I can get myself to buy an Alienware over a Powerbook, that is.

Wizard1956
Reply #34 Friday, November 21, 2008 8:03 PM

You already can sort by skin rating in the drop-down menu labeled "sort by" and to skip pages you can simply change the last number in the address bar (i.e.https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?libid=1,=2,=3,=4 etc.)It really speeds up the browsing. I hope this helps.

michaelpedersen
Reply #35 Friday, November 21, 2008 8:38 PM

Huh I have looked several times and never saw the skin rating till just now

da_zman20
Reply #36 Friday, November 21, 2008 8:56 PM

I just thought I'd say that I've used this site for years and NEVER had real problem with it....

2of3
Reply #37 Friday, November 21, 2008 9:00 PM

Offsubject:

I used to know a Michael Pedersen when I lived in Upstate NY

michaelpedersen
Reply #38 Friday, November 21, 2008 9:12 PM

I thought I was the only one. I'm from Tampa Fl though

2of3
Reply #39 Friday, November 21, 2008 9:15 PM

Oh well........ Welcome to wincustomize, Mike

DrJBHL
Reply #40 Friday, November 21, 2008 9:36 PM

HG_Eliminator
Cool lifejackets ,mods.Is it getting that deep in here?

 

  oddly enough, I was wondering the same..

Sorry 'bout being late. Actually, they're Kevlar vests.

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