Windows XPired
Windows XP is now retired. Now what?
Monday, July 7, 2008 by VistArtXPosed | Discussion: Windows XP
As we all know, June 30th was the last day to purchase a copy of Microsoft Windows XP. But why did they stop selling it so soon? Windows XP was a favorite OS among most PC users. I still believe that the majority of PC users run XP today. (I still run XP, [and Vista]). I have to agree that XP is much faster than Vista, under certain scenarios. And with the right software, XP can become more secure than Vista.
Are we forced into running Vista or will PCs users convert to Mac or Linux? What will be the future of PCs without XP? Will Windows 7 be good enough to qualify as an "XP Replacement"?
Please feel free to share your thoughts. It would be appreciated.
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Daiwa
Reply #22 Monday, July 7, 2008 9:46 PM
Reply #22 Monday, July 7, 2008 9:46 PM
Dell has quietly continued to offer XPP even after their announced June 18th deadline. Just saw a promo today & you can get both flavors of Vista Business with XPP installed for dual boot. It's also still in the pipeline to independent resellers, & the tech support company that services our business network expects it to be available for some time to take care of the needs of businesses with multiple XP workstations & XP-only mission-critical business apps (which often take many months to years to become "next-OS ready" - apparently especially so with Vista).
scorpNZ
Reply #23 Monday, July 7, 2008 10:06 PM
HD-DVD is'nt quite dead yet,if @ first you don't succeed.try,try again..lol..
WWW Link
Reply #23 Monday, July 7, 2008 10:06 PM
HD-DVD is todays BetaMax. I was reluctant moving to Vista at first, unlike when I had ME and leaped to XP. Now after having Vista for a while , I am overall happy with it. Sure somethings work better/faster in XP at the moment, but that will change in time.
HD-DVD is'nt quite dead yet,if @ first you don't succeed.try,try again..lol..
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starkers
Reply #24 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 12:42 AM
That's probably because Dell has a stockpile of XP OEM's... and then probably only in the US. Dell Australia is now only advertising/selling Vista machines, and a customer service representative at Microsoft Australia told me that, as of June 18, XP will no longer be made available to PC manufacturers and/or suppliers, period.
Thing is, though, all the earlier incarnations of Windows were eventually withdrawn from sale when a newer version was released (even though support for them continued), so the withdrawal of XP is no different and should have been expected sometime soon after the release of Vista.... moreso after SP1 gave it better stability/reliability, etc.
OK, it's a transition period some aren't liking, but it's inevitable and they need to move on. Everything gets superseded eventually - like you can't go into Ford and order a T Model anymore - so it's either get with the times or get left behind...
I mean, it's not like ya see a lot of T Models on the freeway keeping up with modern day cars, now do ya.
I've been running Vista Ultimate since the first public beta and have had very few problems - in fact, considerably fewer problems than when I upgraded from 98SE to XP - so I'm not complaining that Vista is now MS' new flagship OS. I still run XP in a dual boot configuration, and I will continue to do so because I happen to like XP as well, but for the most part I'm booted into Vista these days cos I find it faster than XP in most instances.
Reply #24 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 12:42 AM
Dell has quietly continued to offer XPP even after their announced June 18th deadline.
That's probably because Dell has a stockpile of XP OEM's... and then probably only in the US. Dell Australia is now only advertising/selling Vista machines, and a customer service representative at Microsoft Australia told me that, as of June 18, XP will no longer be made available to PC manufacturers and/or suppliers, period.
Thing is, though, all the earlier incarnations of Windows were eventually withdrawn from sale when a newer version was released (even though support for them continued), so the withdrawal of XP is no different and should have been expected sometime soon after the release of Vista.... moreso after SP1 gave it better stability/reliability, etc.
OK, it's a transition period some aren't liking, but it's inevitable and they need to move on. Everything gets superseded eventually - like you can't go into Ford and order a T Model anymore - so it's either get with the times or get left behind...
I mean, it's not like ya see a lot of T Models on the freeway keeping up with modern day cars, now do ya.
I've been running Vista Ultimate since the first public beta and have had very few problems - in fact, considerably fewer problems than when I upgraded from 98SE to XP - so I'm not complaining that Vista is now MS' new flagship OS. I still run XP in a dual boot configuration, and I will continue to do so because I happen to like XP as well, but for the most part I'm booted into Vista these days cos I find it faster than XP in most instances.
Phazon88
Reply #25 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 8:13 AM
Reply #25 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 8:13 AM
Windows XP made have needed to go, but Vista sure as hell isn't a suitable replacement (from a gamer's point of view).
Daiwa
Reply #26 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 11:27 AM
That's probably because Dell has a stockpile of XP OEM's... and then probably only in the US.
You may be on the money there, Starkers, but there is also real demand for XP for the reasons I cited. Businesses typically respond to demand.
For businesses that depend on an OS and software to function, the transition from XPP to Vista is a lot different than the transition from Win2kP to XPP. All our business apps that worked under Win2kP worked immediately under XPP, nothing broke, and we were able to add XPP machines to a mixed environment under Server2k with no issues. XPP also had a lot of security & networking improvements to make it a desirable upgrade. That's just not yet the case with Vista, at least according to the outfit that does our IT support, and might not be until Win7.
Obviously, we'll see.
Reply #26 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 11:27 AM
Dell has quietly continued to offer XPP even after their announced June 18th deadline.
That's probably because Dell has a stockpile of XP OEM's... and then probably only in the US.
You may be on the money there, Starkers, but there is also real demand for XP for the reasons I cited. Businesses typically respond to demand.
For businesses that depend on an OS and software to function, the transition from XPP to Vista is a lot different than the transition from Win2kP to XPP. All our business apps that worked under Win2kP worked immediately under XPP, nothing broke, and we were able to add XPP machines to a mixed environment under Server2k with no issues. XPP also had a lot of security & networking improvements to make it a desirable upgrade. That's just not yet the case with Vista, at least according to the outfit that does our IT support, and might not be until Win7.
Obviously, we'll see.
starkers
Reply #27 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 1:20 PM
Yes, businesses with mission-critical machines are hardly likely to migrate their entire PC base to Vista until mixed environment networking/server compatibility issues are resolved, and while MS released SP1, which appeased most general/home users, it did very little to resolve the most prominent concerns of large/small businesses.
Perhaps this is, in part, why MS is no longer distributing XP, sooner rather than later... to hopefully reduce the incidence of mixed environment networking through having a greater number of Vista based machines enter the corporate/business world.
Reply #27 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 1:20 PM
You may be on the money there, Starkers, but there is also real demand for XP for the reasons I cited.
Yes, businesses with mission-critical machines are hardly likely to migrate their entire PC base to Vista until mixed environment networking/server compatibility issues are resolved, and while MS released SP1, which appeased most general/home users, it did very little to resolve the most prominent concerns of large/small businesses.
Perhaps this is, in part, why MS is no longer distributing XP, sooner rather than later... to hopefully reduce the incidence of mixed environment networking through having a greater number of Vista based machines enter the corporate/business world.
Daiwa
Reply #28 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 3:25 PM
Reply #28 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 3:25 PM
Whatever peoples' individual opinions may be, I've heard there's been a lot of hoarding of XP licenses going on lately. And for many businesses, there is no pressure to do anything else at the moment. Support for XP is slated to be continued for several more years.
Anthony R
Reply #29 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 7:54 PM
Reply #29 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 7:54 PM
I cant imagine why anyone with the system requirements would want to run XP over Vista
Daiwa
Reply #30 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 8:11 PM
85% application compatibility. Deployment nuisances/cost the remaining 15%. Would be like getting a new car with no transmission; looks great but won't do anything but make noise.
Reply #30 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 8:11 PM
I cant imagine why anyone with the system requirements would want to run XP over Vista
85% application compatibility. Deployment nuisances/cost the remaining 15%. Would be like getting a new car with no transmission; looks great but won't do anything but make noise.
BONEHEADdb
Reply #31 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 8:57 PM
I agree!
I have XP on my desktop and Vista on my laptop. The main reason I don't like vista is because I don't have time to learn a new os. I am comfortable with XP. I am a very busy person these days, I don't have much spare time on my hands and certainly don't have time to learn new crap. I don't have time to do any skinning right now(hope that changes soon).
Reply #31 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 8:57 PM
Its not a matter of resistance to change...its a matter of why fix it if it ain't broken. They finally get all the patches and fixes done and then put out another one to fix and patch? Its a matter of greed!
I agree!
I remember the same type of posts when they stopped selling 98.
This makes me wonder...why are people so resistant to change?
This makes me wonder...why are people so resistant to change?
I have XP on my desktop and Vista on my laptop. The main reason I don't like vista is because I don't have time to learn a new os. I am comfortable with XP. I am a very busy person these days, I don't have much spare time on my hands and certainly don't have time to learn new crap. I don't have time to do any skinning right now(hope that changes soon).
starkers
Reply #32 Wednesday, July 9, 2008 12:10 AM
I've heard that also. However, I've also heard that whatever copies of XP there are in the wild now, they're as rare as hens teeth and extremely hard, if not impossible to get a hold of. My local PC store owner told me that he has been trying to get a copy of XP Pro for another customer but has been told by his suppliers that all the licenses/copies in stock are now reserved for corporate/business entities.
That may be the case for a while, but I heard MS stopped production/issue of licenses well before the June cut-off date, meaning many businesses will have to sooner rather than later migrate to Vista, because XP will be in such short supply and will no longer be cost effective as prices are driven up by high corporate demand.
Maybe that's what MS wants - to give the corporate world no alternative, rather than engender it with a better/more business oriented product at a better price. While I am more than happy with Vista as a home user, I can see the problem large businesses would have with upgrading their entire PC base from XP, but as their older machines die I can't see that they'll have much choice.
Reply #32 Wednesday, July 9, 2008 12:10 AM
Whatever peoples' individual opinions may be, I've heard there's been a lot of hoarding of XP licenses going on lately.
I've heard that also. However, I've also heard that whatever copies of XP there are in the wild now, they're as rare as hens teeth and extremely hard, if not impossible to get a hold of. My local PC store owner told me that he has been trying to get a copy of XP Pro for another customer but has been told by his suppliers that all the licenses/copies in stock are now reserved for corporate/business entities.
And for many businesses, there is no pressure to do anything else at the moment.
That may be the case for a while, but I heard MS stopped production/issue of licenses well before the June cut-off date, meaning many businesses will have to sooner rather than later migrate to Vista, because XP will be in such short supply and will no longer be cost effective as prices are driven up by high corporate demand.
Maybe that's what MS wants - to give the corporate world no alternative, rather than engender it with a better/more business oriented product at a better price. While I am more than happy with Vista as a home user, I can see the problem large businesses would have with upgrading their entire PC base from XP, but as their older machines die I can't see that they'll have much choice.
Daiwa
Reply #33 Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:22 AM
Gradual replacement of dead machines is expected in the normal course of business - that's why backward compatibility matters. Businesses don't want to be forced to fix things that aren't broken, especially at huge cost.
And I agree with you regarding Microsoft's strategy, which is sad. Instead of creating something that businesses actually want, they undermine their own products to force/leverage businesses into something don't need.
Reply #33 Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:22 AM
but as their older machines die I can't see that they'll have much choice.
Gradual replacement of dead machines is expected in the normal course of business - that's why backward compatibility matters. Businesses don't want to be forced to fix things that aren't broken, especially at huge cost.
And I agree with you regarding Microsoft's strategy, which is sad. Instead of creating something that businesses actually want, they undermine their own products to force/leverage businesses into something don't need.
starkers
Reply #34 Friday, July 11, 2008 1:02 AM
Yes, I would have thought it made better business sense to make Vista more attractive to businesses with greater backwards compatibility, networking and inter-operability at a reasonable price.... so that it's not so much a case of not fixing what isn't broken, but businesses actually seeing the advantages of migrating to a newer OS. At present this is not the case because MS has not done enough to impress or woo the corporate world. While Vista may be right for the average home user, it is still below par as far as businesses are concerned... and too risky at too great a price to outfit fleets of PC's with it at this time.
While I am more than happy with Vista as a home user, I can understand where businesses are coming from... more is the pity that MS hasn't been truly listening here and has completely chosen the wrong course of action to have Vista more widely adopted, in both the business and home user markets.
Reply #34 Friday, July 11, 2008 1:02 AM
And I agree with you regarding Microsoft's strategy, which is sad. Instead of creating something that businesses actually want, they undermine their own products to force/leverage businesses into something don't need.
Yes, I would have thought it made better business sense to make Vista more attractive to businesses with greater backwards compatibility, networking and inter-operability at a reasonable price.... so that it's not so much a case of not fixing what isn't broken, but businesses actually seeing the advantages of migrating to a newer OS. At present this is not the case because MS has not done enough to impress or woo the corporate world. While Vista may be right for the average home user, it is still below par as far as businesses are concerned... and too risky at too great a price to outfit fleets of PC's with it at this time.
While I am more than happy with Vista as a home user, I can understand where businesses are coming from... more is the pity that MS hasn't been truly listening here and has completely chosen the wrong course of action to have Vista more widely adopted, in both the business and home user markets.
erathoniel
Reply #35 Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:01 PM
Reply #35 Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:01 PM
Microsoft wanted to finally start selling copies of Vista, so they killed XP. 
starkers
Reply #36 Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:02 AM
Well that's not quite it in a nutshell... Microsoft discontinued 95, 98, ME and 2000 not too long after their successors were released, so it's not a lot different here, just a lot more fuss because XP became something the other OSes weren't... more stable & reliable, etc. Vista may have had its teething problems to begin with - and oodles of bad press wouldn't have helped - but the advent of SP1 has made Vista quite a stable and functional OS for the average home user to use.
And it's not like Vista wasn't selling prior to the discontinuation of XP, maybe not to the business world, but 20 odd million licenses worldwide isn't exactly a no-show, is it! For the most part, Vista is a good OS with plenty of potential, particularly for the home user, but MS needs to address pricing and the backwards compatibility and networking issues for businesses to more readily adopt it.
OK, there are some who, for various reasons, don't like Vista, but that doesn't make it a bad OS... more that it's like XP at the start (has issues like any other new OS) and people unsure of change aren't warming to it yet, in particular businesses.
Thing is, when Windows 7 comes out, the same resistance to change and criticisms will abound... it's too unstable, too bloated, has too many incompatibilities and driver issues, and our hardware needs upgrading to run this new touchy-feely thing we just don't need.... etc, etc.
Reply #36 Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:02 AM
Microsoft wanted to finally start selling copies of Vista, so they killed XP.
Well that's not quite it in a nutshell... Microsoft discontinued 95, 98, ME and 2000 not too long after their successors were released, so it's not a lot different here, just a lot more fuss because XP became something the other OSes weren't... more stable & reliable, etc. Vista may have had its teething problems to begin with - and oodles of bad press wouldn't have helped - but the advent of SP1 has made Vista quite a stable and functional OS for the average home user to use.
And it's not like Vista wasn't selling prior to the discontinuation of XP, maybe not to the business world, but 20 odd million licenses worldwide isn't exactly a no-show, is it! For the most part, Vista is a good OS with plenty of potential, particularly for the home user, but MS needs to address pricing and the backwards compatibility and networking issues for businesses to more readily adopt it.
OK, there are some who, for various reasons, don't like Vista, but that doesn't make it a bad OS... more that it's like XP at the start (has issues like any other new OS) and people unsure of change aren't warming to it yet, in particular businesses.
Thing is, when Windows 7 comes out, the same resistance to change and criticisms will abound... it's too unstable, too bloated, has too many incompatibilities and driver issues, and our hardware needs upgrading to run this new touchy-feely thing we just don't need.... etc, etc.
Pixeleo
Reply #37 Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:23 AM
Agreed, people just don't like change [not everyone]...because one moment you hear of a new OS, and you start cursing it...and then years pass by, and operating that very OS becomes second nature...and all of a sudden a new one comes by, and people get all sentimental....this did happen with even older MS operating systems...but because XP was probably the biggest OS leap Microsoft took in terms of adding new features, people got to like XP more than they ever liked 95/98/2000 [let's not count ME] and so they think Microsoft is just trying to be merciless by killing such a supposedly good OS.
Reply #37 Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:23 AM
Thing is, when Windows 7 comes out, the same resistance to change and criticisms will abound... it's too unstable, too bloated, has too many incompatibilities and driver issues, and our hardware needs upgrading to run this new touchy-feely thing we just don't need.... etc, etc.
Agreed, people just don't like change [not everyone]...because one moment you hear of a new OS, and you start cursing it...and then years pass by, and operating that very OS becomes second nature...and all of a sudden a new one comes by, and people get all sentimental....this did happen with even older MS operating systems...but because XP was probably the biggest OS leap Microsoft took in terms of adding new features, people got to like XP more than they ever liked 95/98/2000 [let's not count ME] and so they think Microsoft is just trying to be merciless by killing such a supposedly good OS.
Chasbo
Reply #38 Monday, July 14, 2008 6:53 AM
Reply #38 Monday, July 14, 2008 6:53 AM
Middle of June and my XP machine died. Was on vacation and thought I had done everything to protect it, power off, power cord pulled out. Left the the cable modem plugged in however. Heard there were powerful storms while we were gone. Power supply, motherboard "drive C" all cooked. Guess the surge came through the cable modem. I've heard it's possible. To make a long story short, I took the computer to my local guys. For $280 I got a much faster, better computer. They were able to use the RAM sticks I had. Thing is it's still an XP computer. I could have spent another $300 and got a Vista computer but $300 is a lot to me right now. You see that doing Vista is a money matter to me. XP is fine by me. One of my better friends has Vista and he loves it. At first he didn't want it but I guess if it's set up on a computer that has enough power it's pretty cool. I know the day will come that I will have to migrate to Vista or Windows7. XP runs everything I want to run right now. I hope Stardock has no plans of making their software Vista only for the next few years because so many of us still run XP. I've noticed the Vista only skins lately but haven't commented on that. All I'll say about it now is that I hope the skinners continue to make XP versions. PLEASE. 
kona0197
Reply #39 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:39 AM
Reply #39 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:39 AM
MS may have pulled the plug on XP but I can still get a copy from Newegg. XP will be around for many years.
PurrBall
Reply #40 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:52 AM
I know gamers who run Vista exclusively with absolutely no problem (and some are on this site).
Reply #40 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:52 AM
Windows XP made have needed to go, but Vista sure as hell isn't a suitable replacement (from a gamer's point of view).
I know gamers who run Vista exclusively with absolutely no problem (and some are on this site).
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Reply #21 Monday, July 7, 2008 8:53 PM
I was reluctant moving to Vista at first, unlike when I had ME and leaped to XP. Now after having Vista for a while , I am overall happy with it. Sure somethings work better/faster in XP at the moment, but that will change in time.