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Kk Menu

Updated Oct 03, 2003 by Jiri Krivanek

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Comment #21 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:54 PM
i am just now trying to get this kk menu thing set up. i am running on winXP. here is the issue that i am having; when i try to make a submenu option it gives me this error message "list index out of bounds (-1)". i dont know what that means, any help would be appre'd.

oh yea i love this app...w00t w00t
Jeremy Miller
Comment #22 Friday, September 26, 2003 1:53 AM
Yes, I am in fact running Win2kPro in this box, and I my XP box is currently down for an upgrade so I couldn't try it there. I have heard mention of the tutorial but was not sure where it was available. I just figured out that the v2.80 references were to the dock icon version of KKMenu. I guess I was a little in the dark because I just started using ObjectDock about a week ago.
Jeremy Miller
Comment #23 Monday, September 22, 2003 6:12 AM

After playing around with KK Menu via both the menu editor and the KKMenus.ini file (thanks to hashonboat who got me started) I can see that there is a lot of potential there. There is only one thing I can't seem to get working right. When creating a Folder menu item I lack the ability to edit the Folder field through the menu editor, it must be done through the ini file. Once that is done the only effect it seems to have is to show another menu with an item called the bottom level folder appended to itself, for example "ProgramProgram", that expands to a blank menu.

With that it mind I have found a temporary solution to my problem. I want to stress that I am not trying to circumvent KK Menu but rather to offer two alternative methods that mostly work for the time being. These methods do not provide for pretty icons or a skinned menu (unless you are running WindowBlinds or *gasp* StyleXP etc) which is provided for in KK Menu. I look forward to new features in KK Menu such as dynamic folders which are not supported with these methods.

Note: In both the methods below access your new menus by left clicking and holding the mouse button down until the menu appears.

Method 1: (Simple)

ObjectDock features the ability by default to add folders with expanding menus to the bar by dragging and dropping an existing folder on the bar.

Method 2: (A little more complex but provides direct links to "Special" folders)

Create a shortcut and in the Dock Item Properties, customize as you see fit and then set the "Link" field to one of the following (no arguments):

shell:Administrative Tools
shell:Common Administrative Tools
shell:Common AppData
shell:Common Desktop
shell:Common Documents
shell:Common Favorites
shell:Common Menu
shell:Common Programs
shell:Common Startup
shell:Common Templates
shell:DriveFolder <=------ My Computer
shell:InternetFolder <=--- Internet Explorer
shell:Local AppData
shell:Menu <=------------- Doesn't Work on Win2k/XP
shell:My Pictures
shell:Personal <=--------- My Documents
shell:Programs <=--------- Current User Programs from Start Menu
shell:Recent Note: for now copy C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\*.*
shell:SendTo into shell:RecycleBinFolder C:\Documents and Settings\%CURRENTUSER%\Start Menu\Programs
shell:Startup to get all your programs to show up (support for dynamic folders coming soon to KK Menu)

-=*(((Credits for the shell commands to sosdbz43 on startdock.objectdock on the Stardock news server))*=-
(arrows and extra text are mine)
Jiri Krivanek
Comment #24 Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:59 AM
1. In case of any registration inconveniency, please mail to JiriKrivanek@BetaControl.cz and include the email address you used to register. I will try my best to did that manually. BTW: I have almost 300 users and yes, approx. 50 of them have never logged in, which could mean that they never received the registration response email (really do not know why).

2. I am not selling my program via wincustomize. I only used it for my advertisment as I was publishing and supporting it for a long time here. Which, by the way, means that you will never be able to download any new release from wincustomize and I will no more answer any technical question here (I made a dedicated webpage for that purposes).

3. I have no idea what you mean with this "payment service is not securing the credit card information" but I will check it with my publisher (actually it is my employer and I know they are selling electronics devices very frequently).
Comment #25 Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:32 AM
Please advise on wincustomize when secure transaction is available.
I think $10 is a fair price for unlimited updates, especially if you continue to upgrade the software as you have been and provide support.
I would have liked to see KkMenu integrated into Object Dock, but oh well.
Anonymous Commando
Comment #26 Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:08 PM
Jiri: regarding "payment service is not securing the credit card information" - what Michael is referring to is the fact that the web site you are using for taking the registration information (including credit card information) does not use the HTTPS protocol (HTTP over SSL). Conventional wisdom says that people should not submit credit card info over the Internet unless it is over a secured connection, as the data could be intercepted in transmission relatively easily.

I've noticed that the server does support https connections (by simply replacing http:// with https:// in the URL), but the link from your web site uses http instead. However, the betacontrol.cz server is using a self-signed SSL certificate, rather than a certificated signed by Verisign or Thawte - as a result of that, most browsers will show a warning screen, and some older browsers may refuse to load the page.

In short - until you at least change your link to the "shopping cart" to an https connection, you'll probably find that many people (including me) will not register kkmenu. Even then, you'll find some people will be scared off by the browser warning regarding the SSL certificate, so it would probably be good for your employer to get in touch with a certifying authority (Thawte is probably the least expensive global provider, there may be a local authority in the Czech Republic that would be easer and/or cheaper for you to work with though) and get a proper SSL certificate for their server.

Of course, this is just my 2 cents. Sorry if this sounds like a rant...
Jeremy Miller
Comment #27 Monday, September 22, 2003 12:00 AM
Thanks a lot hashonbot, for the quick response. I should of fooled around with it a little more before posting. I am still having some problems with it though. The info should help a lot.

Thanks again
Comment #28 Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:08 PM

Atari = "IM","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\atari.png","atari"
Best Friends = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\bf.png","E:\Program Files\Best Friends (Free Version)\bf_loader.exe","",0,""
CnC Generals = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\cnc generals.png","E:\Program Files\EA Games\Command and Conquer Generals\generals.exe","-mod USAFv134.big",0,""
Crazy Taxi = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\crazy_taxi.png","E:\Program Files\sega\crazy taxi pc\Crazy Taxi\Crazy_Taxi_PC.exe","",0,""
Cubemaster = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\cubemaster.png","E:\Program Files\Cubemaster Gold\Cubemaster.exe","",0,""
Harry Potter = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\hp.png","E:\Program Files\EA Games\Harry Potter\System\HP.exe","",0,""
Monopoly = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\mc.png","E:\Program Files\Monopoly_Tycoon\mc.exe","",0,""
MS Games = "IM","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\drives\winxp.png","ms"
!Plus Games = "IM","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\plus.png","plus"
The Sims = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\sims.png","E:\Program Files\Maxis\SimCity 4\Apps\SimCity 4.exe","",0,""

Asteroids = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\asteroids.png","E:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\Atari Arcade Hits 1\Asteroids.exe","",0,""
Centipede = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\centipede.png","E:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\Atari Arcade Hits 1\Centipede.exe","",0,""
Missile Command = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\missile command.png","E:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\Atari Arcade Hits 1\Missile Command.exe","",0,""
Pong = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\pong.png","E:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\Atari Arcade Hits 1\Pong.exe","",0,""
Super Breakout = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\super breakout.png","E:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\Atari Arcade Hits 1\Super Breakout.exe","",0,""
Tempest = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\tempest.png","E:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\Atari Arcade Hits 1\Tempest.exe","",0,""

HyperBowl = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\hyperbowl.png","E:\Program Files\Microsoft Plus!\Games\HyperBowl\Hyperbowl.exe","",0,""
Labyrinth = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\labyrinth.png","E:\Program Files\Microsoft Plus!\Games\The Labyrinth Plus! Edition\TheLabyrinth.EXE","",0,""
Russian Square = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\russsqr.png","E:\Program Files\Microsoft Plus!\Games\Russian Square\RussSqr.exe","",0,""

Freecell = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\freecell.png","E:\Windows\System32\freecell.exe","",0,""
Hearts = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\mshearts.png","E:\Windows\System32\mshearts.exe","",0,""
Minesweeper = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\winmine.png","E:\Windows\System32\winmine.exe","",0,""
Pinball = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\pinball.png","E:\Program Files\Windows NT\Pinball\PINBALL.EXE","",0,""
Solitaire = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\sol.png","E:\Windows\System32\sol.exe","",0,""
Spider Solitaire = "IS","E:\Program Files\ObjectDock\kkmenu280\menu\games\spider.png","E:\Windows\System32\spider.exe","",0,""
Jeremy Miller
Comment #29 Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:59 PM
I understand that this software is currently in beta and apparently, at least under Win2k, it requires some manual configuration via the KKMenus.ini file. I was wondering if anyone could cut and past the contents of a sample file that includes all the different types that you can create.

Otherwise, keep up the good work Jiri.
Comment #30 Sunday, October 12, 2003 8:05 PM
I tried to register via Share-it!, and although the site says it is secure, the pages where name, address,and credit card information are entered, are not secure.
I have tried different browsers but it isn't secure.
I sent an email to Share-it! advising them of the problem. hopefully it is just temporary.
Comment #31 Sunday, October 12, 2003 9:26 PM
This is the message that I get from my browser when I am in the credit card information screen:
"The web site home.betacontrol.cz does not support encryption for the page you are viewing. Information sent over the internet without encryption can be seen by other people while it is in transit."

Thanks for your help.
Comment #32 Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:35 PM
i use MobyDock but KK Menue not working. what can i do?
Old Sapphire
Comment #33 Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:43 PM
Duuuuuuuuuuuude! I never wanted to try this, but my dock was getting messy, and DUUUDE! This is one of the coolest additions to OD I've ever used! Awesome job LOL!!!
Comment #34 Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:32 AM
Nevermind! I copied the ini file into the KkMenus.ini and restarted Object Dock & it worked.
Comment #35 Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:24 AM
I'm having a problem with sub-menus. Say I create 2 menus. In #1 I create a sub-menu item, then in the sub-menu drop-down i try to select the #2 menu but the only selection it will allow is menu #1 so what I get is menu #1 with the arrow pointing to a non-existent sub-menu. What am I doing wrong??
Comment #36 Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:48 AM
Okay...I give... On two fronts:

1) Where are the "dynamic" folders at? Are they the same as "folder" in the type selection? I've tried creating a dynamic folder from my start menu, but all I get is a lot of cascading menus full of *.lnk files that won't launch or anything. How are you guys making your start menus function here?

2) No amount of typing or trying will convince the kkmenu editor to allow me to type a darn thing in the "folder" field. I've only been able to enter folder information directly into the kkmenu.ini file.

Comment #37 Monday, September 15, 2003 4:52 PM
thanks . . the menu thing is fine now . . . btw, why is it bad news that the KkMenu will become shareware in it's next release?
Comment #38 Monday, September 15, 2003 10:31 AM
Great that this now is a docklet. However du I have the same problem as Mankar, can't make folders or submenus.
Jiri Krivanek
Comment #39 Monday, September 15, 2003 5:15 AM
I am currently finishing the new release. It includes:
1. Bug fixies of what you reported here (and many more).
2. The dynamic folders support browsing throu everything you can browse with the explorer (including control panels, recycle, pronters, network connections etc).
3. The Start menu/Programs folder supports merging two directories.

In the future I plan to:
1. Implement the tray icons suport (actually this now works somehow).
2. Implement the context menus at dynamic folders.
3. As a bonus: Create another docklet which will display the tray icons directly on the dock (this actually works somehow).

Bad news: The KkMenu will become shareware in its next release.

Comment #40 Monday, September 15, 2003 2:29 AM
Transfer menus is easy once You got it : Create a new kkmenu docklet on You dock and close the window. Then go to Your KKMenu docklet folder . Ther is a file named 'KKmenus.ini'. Copy the contents of every old menu ini-file into this one new file. Close object dock and restart it. Now You can make new KKMenu docklets and choose the menu You want with it.

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