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Frogboy
Comment #21 Friday, July 13, 2007 11:14 PM
"There's a lot of erroneous statements in what you say above. First off, I am not aware of a single feature of Object Desktop that is in Windows Vista." - exactly my point; Microsoft's improvements in Vista's GUI have put Stardock in an uncomfortable position. Microsoft threw Stardock a bone with Dreamscene's since Microsoft totally screwed Stardock's niche market all up on Vista. Like I said, Object Desktop on Vista IS BLOATWARE!!! In Stardock's heyday in the XP-era, Stardock had something unique to bring, today OS's bring it natively withhout 3rd Party intervention.

The other primary mistake you make has to do with what you consider "bloatware". - again, you stated that Vista and Object Desktop are kind of useless together so you've answered your own question.

Please re-read what I said. I didn't say that Vista nd Object Dekstop are "useless together". I said Vista adds nothing that competes with Object Desktop.

People buy Object Desktop because they want to personalize their desktop experience.  The prettiness of Vista is nice for Vista but means little to Object Desktop users who want to apply THEIR OWN look.

WindowBlinds, for instance, not only is faster than Aero, but it vastly reduces the power consumption. - So your saying that Vista Ultimate users are going to actually disable Aero in favor of WindowBlinds? You've definitely lost it now!! The dream customer is an Ultimate customer, the user who want's all of Microsoft's features and is willing to pay a premium for it. For that same user to disable Aero in favor of Windowblinds, why buy Ultimate then? Why not buy Vista Basic and save yourself the $200 or even stick with XP! So the Ultimate user is in essence paying $200 more for Dreamscenes, and Hold em' Poker. Again, most customers I know don't like throwing money away, your plan is insane!

I don't think you understand the various versions of Windows Vista then.  First off, users are buying WindowBlinds with Vista Ultimate. 

You really don't seem to understand why people buy WindowBlinds.  Aero is a not theme. But it is, ultimately, one theme.  I don't happen to be in the camp that thinks Aero is even particularly good but even if one thinks Aero is great, it doesn't change the fact that people want to personalize their desktps.

People pay $200 more for Ultimate because they want to also have the corporate features (like Remote Desktop Server and domain logon) AND the consumer features (Windows Media Center). 

What does Windows Ultimate even have to do with WindowBlinds? I can get Windows Vista Home Premium for a fraction of the price of Ultimate and I get Aero with that.  They're not paying for Ultimate to get Aero.

Why should you care if you activate a $10 wallpaper? The benefit is that activation makes it much easier for users to re-download in the future. - I don't care personally, however I was speaking for the customer who does care. Microsoft always talks about the "benefits" of activation and I haven't seen it yet. At least Microsoft is protecting a $400 product with activation like Windows Vista for an example, Stardock is making the customer inconvenienced by protecting their $10 wallpaper. Greater software has been offered with less headaches.

What headaches?  Fact: Activation automatically inserts a user into the database so that they can painlessly redownload.  What exactly is the downside here?  Users can activate multiple times on multiple machines.

Even better, if your system should fail and you are reinstalling Windows and you don't take backup images like a friend of mine who purchased one, then chances are your going to have to call/e-mail Stardock to reactivate your Premium Dream; This is completely untrue. - untrue? So your saying if I reinstall Windows and attempt to reinstall my Premium Dream, no re-activation will be required as my Premium Dream will recognize that I have already registered and that even though my computer's Windows installation is now entirely different, highly unlikely. If this is true, try to pass on one of your premium dreams to a friend as a test and give your friend your registration info and see if he can install the Dream, how's it going?

I am saying if you reinstall Windows on an existing machine that already has the Premium Dream on you won't have to reactivate it. 

 

Stardock has no intention of being bought out by Microsoft or anyone else. - Neither did PeopleSoft, Enron, Worldcomm or anyone else out there but guess what! Whether Stardock will be acquired by another company hinges solely on Stardocks' financials and their future viability. Stardock only has as much control as their business practices dictate. Bigger companies have talked your talk and 10 years later, found themselves eating those words. When people get bought out, it's usually not by choice, remember that!!

I understand that you have to show your vendor loyalty being that your working for Stardock, however your points were weak at best. As I said, I'm not anti-Stardock! I just don't like the direction on the Deskscapes\Dreamscenes pricing scheme simply put. Like I also said, I credit Stardock with many of Vista's native GUI featureset so actually I have given Stardock a compliment. All businesses aren't perfect, I'm simply pointing to an area that Stardock needs to work on. Thanks again for your time.

Since I own Stardock, I decide whether Stardock is acquired. It has nothing to do with finanicals. We're not a democracy. I am the principle shareholder of the company.  So yea, I have control over whether we're bought or not.

You say that my arguments are weak and yet your assertion is basically that Stardock should just give away Dreams that cost significant amounts of money to create.  Why would we do this?  If Premium Dreams didn't sell well (and they DO sell well) we simply would stop making them.

But as a business, we have to generate revenue that exceeds cost.  Developing DeskScapes costs money. Creating premium content costs money. Someone has to pay for that. 

And while pointing out that a given dream has 46,000 downloads may seem impressive, it's a trivial number compared to the 30+ million visitors this site receives each month.

At the end of the day here is the reality:

Dreams only work for Windows Vista Ultimate.  Windows Vista users currently represent around 8% of the Internet.   Ultimate users represent a tiny fraction of that.  There is no justification whatsoever for a business to create free content based on the idea of mass user bases when Vista Ultimate users are such a tiny % of the on-line base.

If Dreams didn't take off and weren't popular, then Stardock would simply focus on something else.  Demand drives what businesses put resources towards.

The only business justification is to create high-end content is if a reasonable percentage of users will buy it.

It's not Stardock who should be thanking and appreciating the free Dream makers like AZDude and Baron. It's users like you who should be thanking them.  You seem to have the relationship backwards.

 

 

BeLGaRaTh67
Comment #22 Friday, July 13, 2007 11:55 PM

The only business justification is to create high-end content is if a reasonable percentage of users will buy it.


Off topic I know, but after using that phrase can you justify not updating the Photo Collage dream when the majority of people who bought it (including myself) are requesting updates to make it better? e.g. Cursive Directory scanning and an actual random feature, instead of having to rely on third parties like Holm76, who isnt making any money from his contributions, to make things work as they should really do in the first place, and are being ignored. Despite the fact that I have personally sent around a dozen mails regarding it (all of which have been ignored) and also posted in the Desktop Collage comments regarding it, again being ignored.

So basically you create "high-end content", then when "users buy it", you ignore any requests for improvements/updates?
Frogboy
Comment #23 Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:35 AM
Off topic I know, but after using that phrase can you justify not updating the Photo Collage dream when the majority of people who bought it (including myself) are requesting updates to make it better? e.g. Cursive Directory scanning and an actual random feature, instead of having to rely on third parties like Holm76, who isnt making any money from his contributions, to make things work as they should really do in the first place, and are being ignored. Despite the fact that I have personally sent around a dozen mails regarding it (all of which have been ignored) and also posted in the Desktop Collage comments regarding it, again being ignored.

So basically you create "high-end content", then when "users buy it", you ignore any requests for improvements/updates?

The recursive directory scanning is going to be added to it in a future update.  We don't ignore requests. We simply can't personally respond to each and every feature request email we receive.

lmgppag
Comment #24 Monday, July 16, 2007 10:41 AM
Hi. This dream is really brilliant. My desktop resolution 1440 x 900 (Laptop HP Pavilion dv 9286ea) My graphic card Nvidia GeForce 7600 have 1G memory (1007 mb) all dreams works fine but when a window is maximized ..... dream don´t work, is frozzen....
I play different dreams... desktop collage, shapes ... is the same... when maximized a window...stop.

Any ideas ? Thanks
CATMANDU21
Comment #25 Monday, July 16, 2007 8:01 PM
As I said, I'm not anti-Stardock! I just don't like the direction on the Deskscapes\Dreamscenes pricing scheme simply put. Like I also said, I credit Stardock with many of Vista's native GUI featureset so actually I have given Stardock a compliment. All businesses aren't perfect, I'm simply pointing to an area that Stardock needs to work on. Thanks again for your time. - Looking at it all, I was and am still giving Stardock a compliment. You did bring up some good points though. I have and will again "THANK" the many dream makers out there who work at making dreams that users get to enjoy for free and Stardock indirectly profits from even though thanks for this goes to Stardock for throwing those poor dream creators some HD space, you bunch of lucky individuals. Again, if you feel Stardock doesn't need to thank these guys well.....

To all the dream makers out there; look for thanks from the users who are fans because as Stardock puts it "It's not Stardock who should be thanking and appreciating the free Dream makers like AZDude and Baron. It's users like you who should be thanking them. You seem to have the relationship backwards." So with that said, be happy Stardock has an area to post dreams to or all you guys would be up the creek without a paddle. Stardock made you, they created the format so you could make Dreams. If you want appreciation for your artistic talents, don't look at Stardock, actually every time you submit a dream, put "thank you for making me somebody" in the comment field when posting since Stardock doesn't need you, they're mearly throwing you a bone.

Dreams only work for Windows Vista Ultimate. Windows Vista users currently represent around 8% of the Internet. Ultimate users represent a tiny fraction of that. There is no justification whatsoever for a business to create free content based on the idea of mass user bases when Vista Ultimate users are such a tiny % of the on-line base. - and it is because of that concept that I feel Premium Dreams should be given for free. If their is such a small number of people who are interested in this, why even make Deskscapes to begin with as it would sound risky to invest money in something that is "such a tiny % of the on-line base". Being that this division of Stardock is such a minor portion of the picture, why should profit matter?

I understand Stardock has other products and the "30+ Million" users don't come here solely for Dreams so my 56k count on the top dream is "who cares" data. When I state that users come to Wincustomize for dreams, I mean that your site has the most and newest selection of the currently available dreams on the internet. With that said, how do you think it got that way? Not because of the 5 Premium Dreams you got up, that's for sure!! When I give a count of 56K on your top user downloaded dream, I bring it up to point out that probably if you totaled up the total sales of all 5 of your Premium Dreams, the numbers totaled together would be close to 56K. I imagine you didn't sell 56K of any of those Premiums so that number in that context is impressive.

To be more clear about the Windowblinds/Aero debacle, the user you speak of doesn't exist because Windowblinds users wouldn't disable Aero and enable Windowblinds! If your looking to enhance performance, why disable Aero only to run Windowblinds because it runs with less resources, it's an oxymoron? If your concerned about performance you wouldn't have Windowblinds or Aero, you would have set yourself to Windows Classic, disabled the "Themes" service and probably killed your System Tray startups and tweaked HKLM/Run and MSCONFIG for startup items as well. For the user that likes it all, they will probably run Windowblinds with Aero so they can enjoy Transparent Windowsblinds themes. This type of user isn't so concerned with CPU time or memory usage, they want a particular look and feel and are willing to sacrifice some performance for visuals. Users like these won't sacrifice either.


End result, you still should have given your five(5) Premium Dreams away.
Others have given away more for free;
Spybot S+D
Ad-Aware
CCleaner
Sysinternals Tools (Autoruns, NewSID)
Google Earth
Picasa
Adobe Reader
and 1000's of others

Why act so desperate? You have 100's of other very successful products in your arsenal, you still haven't made a point of why you charge. On one hand you minimize the market, call it a small piece of the pie, irrelevant. Then you talk about all this cost to produce this product and how profits are needed or calamity befall you. My company sponsors a quarterly customer appreciation day where they give away coffee, soda, etc.. No customer is charged for this as it is looked at as a short term loss for the long term gain. I view the small market, as you put it, of Dreamscenes as just that, a niche market for the Ultimate user who wants all the bells and whistles. For the record I am a Vista Enterprise user so Dreamscenes or Deskscapes doesn't apply to me. When I say Stardock should make Deskscapes and in-house dreams free, I don't say this to benefit myself. I say this because from the outside looking in, it would seem that, speaking in your language, Stardock could potentially make a bigger killing by giving this stuff away for free in the long term...........
CATMANDU21
Comment #26 Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:39 AM
ALMOST FORGOT..........

Given that Stardock gives away DeskScapes for FREE and are one of the top producers of FREE dreams, it's kind of hard to understand how you can argue that you think Stardock is "all about the money". The existence of premium content does not harm you anymore than the existence of commercial software harms you. If you don't want to pay for the handful of premium content on this site, then just don't.

What is Deskscapes? Basically it's an interface add-on of sorts to view and open .dream files . The .dream file format is similar to .zip in that it contains multiple files packaged such as the .mpg/.wma dream file, a .jpg screenshot, etc. If the files weren't packaged in .dream format, they would be in formats natively readable with Windows Dreamscenes. Go to the path;
C:\ProgramData\Stardock\DeskScapes\ExtractedData

For those who don't know, within these folders are all the dreams you have viewed extracted from their .dream archives. My point, why is Deskscapes needed and why is the .dream format such a step up from .mpg and .wma? More important, should the Ultimate user pay for software when it would seem that it would have been possible for Stardock to still create dreams using Windows Dreamscenes native software rather than create Deskscapes? Third, you are not one of the top producers of FREE dreams, Stardock mearly has a page and storage available for users who would like to submit dreams. Actually Stardock has about 15-20 dreams, five or more are Premium so in reality you're the top producer of PAY FOR dreams! Their are other artists that have triple Stardock's content in the dream department.......
Frogboy
Comment #27 Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:28 PM

Cat - Dynamic Dreams, like this one, are only possible with DeskScapes.

Windows DreamScenes plays video files as wallpaper. Period. That's all it does.  DeskScapes is what makes it possible to run .DREAM files which CAN be video but can also be triggered or completely dynamic (like this one).  There's a huge difference between dynamic and video dreams.

As for "giving aways Dreams", Stardock already is one of the biggest providers of free Dream content (if not THE biggest).  Stardock is already the top producer of freeware desktop enhancements (LogonStudio, ObjectDock, CursorXP, BootSkin, etc.). 

So I think it's safe to say that Stardock embraces the concept of delivering free software and content to the community for long term benefit by all (including Stardock).  You may want to learn more about Stardock (you've been here what? A month?) before posting assumptions.

Premium dreams represent a significant investment in time and money.  There are no free ones that I'm aware of that are of the level of the premium ones (most of the premium ones are dynamic dreams).  If you really feel that high quality dreams are truly worthwhile, then by all means, please feel free to create and distribute ones of your own making.

 

CATMANDU21
Comment #28 Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:22 PM
I may have only been posting on this membership for only one month, however I have used many of your products before many years ago before my IT days. Like I said, I was mearly not understanding you charging for the Premium wallpapers. As far as how much Windowblinds or other is selling for, to me it's not an issue and your pricing seems in line for a product that does what yours does.

As far as making Dreams, I am not really into editing video and will probably not be creating any dreams. Besides, I really don't use Dreamscenes either as I'm a minimalist and usually don't install software such as Dreamscenes, Object Desktop, Toolbars(Google, etc.), or other add-ons that take away from performance. Just to note I am running a variety of Windows machines in various configurations. I currently have 3 Vista machines, one Ultimate, 2 Business and my Enterprise version I use at work. At home I primarily using my Ultimate machine. I have Aero enabled, but otherwise I'm running a performance machine. On idle, I'm consuming 556mb RAM just sitting at the desktop which is great for Vista. If I disable Aero, my config uses about 512MB RAM, just to add my XP machine idles at 476MB RAM not far from my Vista machines usage which shows that Vista can be tweaked for performance.

As for "giving aways Dreams", Stardock already is one of the biggest providers of free Dream content (if not THE biggest). Stardock is already the top producer of freeware desktop enhancements (LogonStudio, ObjectDock, CursorXP, BootSkin, etc.). So I think it's safe to say that Stardock embraces the concept of delivering free software and content to the community for long term benefit by all (including Stardock). You may want to learn more about Stardock (you've been here what? A month?) before posting assumptions.

Well, we finally agree!!! Yes, like I said earlier Stardock has the most expansive Dream site on the WWW. However your quote again brings up my point, for all these things you give for free, it's puzzling why the 5 Premium wallpapers are excluded when you seemingly give away more expensive content. How about charging for LogonStudio, ObjectDock, CursorXP, or BootSkin? Your probably in shock reading this, but at least these products can be used by a wider user base and have been in development by Stardock for many years. It almost seems crazy to give this away and be forced to charge $10 for a Premium Dream!! If your lucky, you'll gross 1 Million on Premium Dreams since you have a small user base, you probably could double or triple that with a nominal charge on the above items instead, $5 should do it!!. I just find the whole thing puzzling.............
drum1977
Comment #29 Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:10 PM
Coool!!!!I fan stardock
cmmc
Comment #30 Friday, July 20, 2007 4:09 PM
hello i have a problem with this dream... when its in use i cant see the color of text font in the desktop icons when i want to change the name... i really dont know how to explain this so here is a screenshot www.losoneto.com/dreamerror.jpg , also i think it would be amazing if you guys can make an option to select a custome reflection image   
Mawhrin-Skel
Comment #31 Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:24 PM
Is there any way to use this as a screen saver as well? I really like it for my desktop.
Thanks, Jim
Jessicaluvsu
Comment #32 Friday, August 03, 2007 9:39 PM
this is awesome!
Frogboy
Comment #33 Friday, August 03, 2007 11:22 PM
It almost seems crazy to give this away and be forced to charge $10 for a Premium Dream!! If your lucky, you'll gross 1 Million on Premium Dreams since you have a small user base, you probably could double or triple that with a nominal charge on the above items instead, $5 should do it!!. I just find the whole thing puzzling.............

Sounds like a business opportunity.  Feel free to start creating dreams and charge $5 for them.

BeastyDB
Comment #34 Friday, August 17, 2007 5:34 PM
How do I delete this post. I posted something and realised the error of my ways.
Kris_dk
Comment #35 Friday, August 24, 2007 5:18 AM
Very nice dream. It would be cool if the skys/stars moved too.
Finnius
Comment #36 Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:05 PM
As for an update/tweak on this particular dream, I would like the ability to use my own pics for the reflected image....the same as we have for the actual background. Please Mr. Dev, could you do that for us? I'm sure I speak for anyone that owns this dream...
pitorian
Comment #37 Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:38 PM
Just purchased this dream, an it is superb, well done!!  
CH-boy
Comment #38 Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:21 AM
good ??!
rogerfsmith34761
Comment #39 Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:02 AM
I've just purchased this...just incredible. My Vista, she's finally starting to look pretty!
Chuckeye
Comment #40 Monday, February 11, 2008 9:43 AM
well I feel really stupid for paying for this one, when I got downloaded it I found it was the same as the dream I got for free but had ignored -except it has one extra feature, and we can't even change the reflected image,oh no I feel sick... room closing... in.... can't ...breath.... think ...I'm ... gonna....aaaaarrrrgggh      

Still, it's pretty damn cool with your picture of choice in the background.  

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