Wallpapers

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Saturday, September 28, 2013 by doortech1 | Discussion: Skinning

Hey all,

I have a question, and it may sound dumb.

 

I have not downloaded any walls from here simply because of the size of the files. Dial up and all.

I have also submitted walls on a few occasions only to have them disappear!lol.

Now, could be they sucked and that was all, but, if I am making them wrong, I would like to know the right way.

 

So, when I set an image to my desktop, it needs to be a jpeg or bitmap. So, why the large files on the site?

 

Do I need to make psd files and let the user convert?

Also, popular sizes?

 

I did1920x1200, 1650x1080, 1600x1200, and1024x768. What am I missing.

 

Any input would be very helpful.Thank you, DT1.

gmc2
Reply #1 Saturday, September 28, 2013 1:50 PM

So, when I set an image to my desktop, it needs to be a jpeg or bitmap. So, why the large files on the site?

just guessing but they are usually zip files that contain more than one image, they contain (usually) several images made at various resolutions.

benmanns
Reply #2 Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:08 PM

Yes you need normal resolutions including the 4:9 , 16:9 
I did that in the begining but im not going to do so anymore i only know  view folks that still run a 4:9 screen

Also you may need to make a zip if you want to upload a PNG, in windows8 jpeg and BMP get downsampled - i noticed that when i applied some of my photos as wallpaper - the solution is to use a PNG or a third party wallpaper prog. to prevent windows8 from doing so.
If you use JPEG or BMP the picture will be pixelated
So if you upload you should include a PNG for me prefered size HD1080 or 4k hehe
 

neone6
Reply #3 Saturday, September 28, 2013 5:35 PM

Roloccolor
If you use JPEG or BMP the picture will be pixelated
Downloaded my jpegs to check...-No pixelation going on there. What are you talking about ?

benmanns
Reply #4 Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:12 PM

Windows8 does and this is a fact believe it or not will use a low res version of your wallpaper as background 
http://superuser.com/questions/507097/stop-windows-8-from-converting-wallpapers-to-low-quality-jpgs

I noticed this right on the release of windows8 when i applied the CHIP wall of mine to my windows8 desk
You may not see it, on every wall since sometimes its very hard to spot
But you will find enough topics about this on the www Andy
Sometimes its hard to spot and most people simply do not notice but it is happening prob even on your rig.

A example : http://superuser.com/questions/507097/stop-windows-8-from-converting-wallpapers-to-low-quality-jpgs
 
 or here http://www.eightforums.com/customization/5399-windows-degrades-desktop-background-images-2.html

This is also the reason why i will include a PNG from now on.


Just tried with your wallpaper take a look for yourself



Left windows8 wall - right screen original 

 

doortech1
Reply #5 Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:04 PM

No pixel fuzz here either.Was hoping some of my earlier submissions did not suck, but , appears they did. Unless any Stardock staff has a guidline or rule I should follow.If so, please advise me, thanks everyone.Always free good advice in the nuthouse.

 

PS, screw windows 8!I use 7.Others have millions of other walls to use, they do not need mine.

That image looks like an effect to me, just zoomed way in , are you running high res.?Irun at 1680x1050,looks okay here.

RedneckDude
Reply #6 Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:47 PM

neone6

Quoting Roloccolor, reply 2If you use JPEG or BMP the picture will be pixelated Downloaded my jpegs to check...-No pixelation going on there. What are you talking about ?

 

Same here, Windows 8 Pro MC Edition. No pixelation, no fuzzyness, looks as fine as on Windows 7.

 

Roloccolor, ya can't believe everything you read.

 

JPEGs and BMPs work just fine. Assuming the wall was made well to begin with.

RedneckDude
Reply #7 Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:49 PM

In reply 4, it looks like you are comparing a wall used on the desktop, to a wall shown in a browser. Not a great comparison.

ernie leo
Reply #8 Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:07 PM

RedneckDude


Quoting neone6, reply 3
Quoting Roloccolor, reply 2If you use JPEG or BMP the picture will be pixelated Downloaded my jpegs to check...-No pixelation going on there. What are you talking about ?

 

Same here, Windows 8 Pro MC Edition. No pixelation, no fuzzyness, looks as fine as on Windows 7.

 

Roloccolor, ya can't believe everything you read.

 

JPEGs and BMPs work just fine. Assuming the wall was made well to begin with.

I'm using Win 8 Pro......downloaded the same wall and set as my desktop, it does artifact(fuzzyness), same as Rolocolors left image......loaded it into PS and saved as a png and the artifacts are gone when set as desktop.....

There does appear to be a problem in the way Win 8 displays low res jpg images on the desktop......

RedneckDude
Reply #9 Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:45 PM

ernie leo
downloaded the same wall and set as my desktop, it does artifact(fuzzyness), same as Rolocolors left image......loaded it into PS and saved as a png and the artifacts are gone when set as desktop.....

Odd, I did the same with my own wall, 1920 x 1080, and I see no difference.

How are you setting the wall? By right click/set as desktop background? Or by way of personalize? vStyler used to say that it made a difference too.

RedneckDude
Reply #10 Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:54 PM

Well, duh. I was applying walls with Display Fusion.          If I apply the wall with personalize, the png does look crisper than the jpeg. Hmm..

benmanns
Reply #11 Sunday, September 29, 2013 2:25 AM

doortech1
That image looks like an effect to me, just zoomed way in , are you running high res.?Irun at 1680x1050,looks okay here.

I have a natural res of 1920-1080, the wall used is 1920x1080 on 72dpi, on 24bit, no zoming no streching 0 effects applied.

ernie leo
...downloaded the same wall and set as my desktop, it does artifact(fuzzyness), same as Rolocolors left image......loaded it into PS and saved as a png and the artifacts are gone when set as desktop..

Yay someone who has good eyes , i feel way more compftable now..  ty ernie  

RedneckDude

In reply 4, it looks like you are comparing a wall used on the desktop, to a wall shown in a browser. Not a great comparison.
 
Why not ? The picture im refering to is a direct download/upload ? the Preview is 100% identical to the download + wincustomize does not compress  therefore it is uncompressed
I could have also used Windows photo viewer instead of the browser ,its the same result. 

Yeah- the way i did it is not 100% accurate i would have needed to zoom in the browser*1 or make a png under the supervision of a Prof.Dr. that takes care that i do not mess up the process of converting a delicate jpg file into a png... after that is finished i would need to make 2 screenshots or tell windows8 to use one for the first monitor and the jpg for the second- but im lazy therefore the browser did just fine to show the difference, after all im not writing an exam here just trying to explain that down sampling does happen and as long as I got you to test it for yourself my mission is a success.  

RedneckDude

Well, duh. I was applying walls with Display Fusion.          If I apply the wall with personalize, the png does look crisper than the jpeg. Hmm..


Yeah as soon as you use third party progs for your wallpapers it will not happen
When i noticed it, i contacted support but they had no clue...
The windows version (pro,OEM,Systembuilder,EP) does not have any effect on it, there is no "normal" version that does not downsample the wall...
All of them are "special"
as said sometimes it is hard to spot but same as with a dead pixel on the screen, once spotted you can´t keep your eye off it. 

RedneckDude
Roloccolor, ya can't believe everything you read.

No worries no offense taken    lol


In windows7 I used ultramon for my dual walls to apply
I did try that and it works also on windows8 but i like to simply apply a png since it is easier and im lazy
+i dont want  to fill up my drive with 3rd party apps. 


If anyone is already running 8.1, it would be nice to know if they fixed that  

doortech1
Reply #12 Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:42 AM

s0 PNG it is. Thanks all,you rock.DT1

benmanns
Reply #13 Sunday, September 29, 2013 4:24 AM

doortech1 you can include a png, for folks on windows8
but people on windows7 will of course use the lot lighter jpeg.
So if you upload a wallpaper these days include the standart sizes up to 1080p
and if you like add a single PNG and name it windows8 or *name*_win8.png

 

neone6
Reply #14 Sunday, September 29, 2013 4:54 AM

doortech1
Reply #15 Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:01 AM

Thanks Roloccolor.

benmanns
Reply #16 Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:20 AM

You're welcome!

gmc2
Reply #17 Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:26 AM

sorry to be a little late for this but....

generally png's retain their color edges/integrity while jpg's bleed into the surrounding pixels. As far as which to use, that depends on the effect one is attempting to attain. I have saved files as a jpg to get that cross pixelation, then open and save the resultant image to a png for use in a windowblind.

it's an experiment.

RedneckDude
Reply #18 Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:23 AM

Roloccolor
Quoting RedneckDude, reply 6Roloccolor, ya can't believe everything you read. No worries no offense taken lol

 

None meant....lol.   

 

 

Apparently, you can believe SOME stuff you read. 

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