Internet Mob Logic

Wednesday, September 25, 2013 by Draginol | Discussion: Internet

“People who say mean things should die in a fire!”

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Uvah
Reply #21 Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:04 AM

Howdy Web......

Hate mongers who are basically anti-social, don't care who they hurt, with little or no compassion and zero empathy for others. Is it no wonder that most, not all mind you but most are the up and coming next generation. All of the social networks gives them the one thing denied them outside of their homes...a venue to rant and rave as they please without consequence, they know they can get away with it. Outside they face retaliation, someone would take it not lightly and probably bash their head in. Inside on their computers they can remain anonymous and nobody would know who they are. They totally abuse the amendment that gives them freedom of speech and expression. You can't chastise them physically because then you are the villain and that is what they take advantage of. What they don't realize is that someone just might know who they are and where they live, it does happen. Payback is a bitch! 

Fistalis
Reply #22 Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:28 AM

where their REAL entertainment comes from the occasional mouthfull of the WRONG coffee cup.

Jafo been stalking me again.

 

I've never understood how anonymity turns some people into instant arses. Generally speaking I've never viewed the internet as a place where I can run around being a complete douche cause "no one knows who i am".

 I'll grant I'm not always the nicest person.. but I say what I think even when its likely to offend. Whoever said honesty was the best policy must have had a better brain to mouth filter than me.

 

As for the whole internet mob logic.. they aren't really different from real life Mobs logic.. You get a group of people with some common ideology and the wrong motivation and they do some crazy stuff.

Jafo
Reply #23 Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:49 AM

Fistalis
I've never understood how anonymity turns some people into instant arses. Generally speaking I've never viewed the internet as a place where I can run around being a complete douche cause "no one knows who i am".

I'll grant I'm not always the nicest person.. but I say what I think even when its likely to offend.

And you say you can't understand it?  You're your own example...

If what you said as 'not nicest person' was accompanied by your name, address and home phone number would you not suddenly find a whole new degree of 'niceness'?

That's the whole point re anonymity on the net.

Accountability

 

....and the likelihood of a bloody nose if offence is taken ...

Frogboy
Reply #24 Saturday, September 28, 2013 1:11 PM

Anonymity is the bane of the Internet.  When people have no accountability for what they do, they'll happily indulge their basest desires.

Some people applaud that the Internet is "the great equalizer" which is great for the basement dwelling loser who gets to put their talent for trolling on display against people with demonstrated accomplishments and achievements.

Fistalis
Reply #25 Saturday, September 28, 2013 3:17 PM



Quoting Fistalis, reply 22I've never understood how anonymity turns some people into instant arses. Generally speaking I've never viewed the internet as a place where I can run around being a complete douche cause "no one knows who i am".

I'll grant I'm not always the nicest person.. but I say what I think even when its likely to offend.

And you say you can't understand it?  You're your own example...

If what you said as 'not nicest person' was accompanied by your name, address and home phone number would you not suddenly find a whole new degree of 'niceness'?

That's the whole point re anonymity on the net.

Accountability

 

....and the likelihood of a bloody nose if offence is taken ...



No because I'm no different in real life. "Fistalis" has stuck with me for over 15 years.. I'm not gonna ditch it because someone gets annoyed with my opinion. Fistalis is who am just as much as my legal name. As a matter of fact it would take very little effort to link Fistalis to my real life identity. Its no different from Frogboy when he says or does things that some people may not agree with. He doesn't apoligize for his opinion.. he may not intend to offend.. but that doesn't mean it doesn't. My opinion remains the same regardless of whether we're here on the forums or having a drink at the local pub. Does it mean that some people think less of me.. sure.. but I'm not going to go through my life acting like i have opinions which are different from my real ones in order to spare some people the pain of being offended by my opinions. I don't share my opinions with malice.. but do so in the general course of discussion.

Now if you feel that its better to go through life lacking the courage of ones own convictions thats fine.. it's your choice.. but don't superimpose your preconceived notions of forced social niceties based on fear on me.

Glad to know you think of me as a troll though

 

Frogboy

Anonymity is the bane of the Internet.  When people have no accountability for what they do, they'll happily indulge their basest desires.

Some people applaud that the Internet is "the great equalizer" which is great for the basement dwelling loser who gets to put their talent for trolling on display against people with demonstrated accomplishments and achievements.

Anyone who needs anonymity to feel empowered against another individual has nothing but a false sense of empowerment.

 

 

Cruxador
Reply #26 Saturday, September 28, 2013 4:16 PM

Seems like there's a lot of negativity in this thread. Sure, some folks have a tough time with things and take it out on other people. Does that make them worse people? Well maybe, but ain't nobody perfect.

As for anonymity, it's also the boon of the internet. It allows people to make and do things which will be judged on their own merits, not on a person's reputation, whether that be positive or negative.

Draginol
Reply #27 Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:31 PM

Fistalis
Anyone who needs anonymity to feel empowered against another individual has nothing but a false sense of empowerment.

Well said!

Jafo
Reply #28 Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:33 PM

Fistalis
Glad to know you think of me as a troll though

I don't think of you as one....you simply associated yourself with the traits of the troll.

Anonymity is not 'just' the name...it's the security of displacement....no real-life connection between protagonists.

If the Internet were a boxing ring [physical, not social] there'd be a lot fewer battles.

Trolls feel 'safe' because of the implied sense of anonymity as well as the 'so what are they gonna do....I'm 1000s of miles away anyway?'.

They don't then just post a legitimate opinion....they exaggerate and go for the Jugular.  They don't argue 'I believe you are wrong because....' unless the rest of the statement becomes  '....you are a fuck-wit'.

There has been a few occasions I can recall during my life on the net where trolls became genuine issues warranting real responses.  Two were resolved once they were informed of 'we know where you live - desist or your teacher/boss will be informed' .  Another was possibly down to my vehement stance re 'children' ridiculing the actions of another who had suicided [on Deviantart].  Things get quite REAL when you're contacted by the kid's parents thanking you for your support.

There IS NO place for trolling ... just as there IS NO place for bullying.  Both are the actions of the pathetic and weak.

The ICQ logs relating to eFront were a classic case in point.  The guys who ran that show were [to put it politely] bottom-feeders with particularly reprehensible 'ethics' [ie. none at all].  When the logs went public it spelled the end of them as a business.  As I recall the police had 'a chat'.

When an issue is important enough....that 'anonymity' ceases to exist....

 

Fistalis
Reply #29 Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:37 PM

I don't think of you as one....you simply associated yourself with the traits of the troll.

No I associate myself with some traits that YOU ascribe to being troll like. Blunt honesty and lack of political correctness and/or diplomatic tact. I personally find those traits quite endearing

Jafo
Reply #30 Sunday, September 29, 2013 12:30 AM

Fistalis
I personally find those traits quite endearing

Ah....

...but when you become a site Administrator tasked with policing the 'troll' you find you need to draw the proverbial 'line-in-the-sand'.

Your job is to protect ALL Community site users equally.  Generally the average User is NOT obliged to 'suck it in' or 'grin and bear it' when confronted with "Blunt honesty and lack of political correctness and/or diplomatic tact."  Stardock's rules of conduct applying to ALL site users can an do preclude much of what you may consider 'endearing'.

Yes, 'political correctness' can be particularly tiresome.... and 'blunt honesty' can have its place, but not when it is a direct 'attack' on a fellow site member.

Rules are rules, and all facets of society have them.  Those who don't conform to them/abide by them [for whatever reason] soon find themselves on the outer - restricted/denied continued intercourse/interaction.

As Ned Kelly said on the gallows...."Such is life". ...

Fistalis
Reply #31 Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:01 AM



Quoting Fistalis, reply 29 I personally find those traits quite endearing

Ah....

...but when you become a site Administrator tasked with policing the 'troll' you find you need to draw the proverbial 'line-in-the-sand'.

Your job is to protect ALL Community site users equally.  Generally the average User is NOT obliged to 'suck it in' or 'grin and bear it' when confronted with "Blunt honesty and lack of political correctness and/or diplomatic tact."  Stardock's rules of conduct applying to ALL site users can an do preclude much of what you may consider 'endearing'.

Yes, 'political correctness' can be particularly tiresome.... and 'blunt honesty' can have its place, but not when it is a direct 'attack' on a fellow site member.

Rules are rules, and all facets of society have them.  Those who don't conform to them/abide by them [for whatever reason] soon find themselves on the outer - restricted/denied continued intercourse/interaction.

As Ned Kelly said on the gallows...."Such is life". ...

Meh I always assumed froggy would tire of me and ban me eventually anyway, he shows many of those same traits at times but since its his site its a wee bit different (not to mention our personal views tend to be at odds most of the time). Personal attacks are not the same as blunt honestly and lack of diplomatic tact. You seem to be trying to smear the paint as it were. That is to say mix up one set of traits with another.

No getting banned is not a normal thing for me.. but given the wide subject matter and general discourse of these forums I always assumed it would happen eventually. I would never use personal attacks.. but what YOU may construe as a personal attack can be very different from what I do.

Point being when the day comes that I am faced with what i considered an inevitability I will show neither fear of it happening, nor will I bear any Ill will towards others for it happening. I don't think myself above the rules.. I just understand that in order to maintain my personal convictions I run the risk of breaking them and accepting the price that comes with it.

Anytime you step into someone elses domain you have to either accept that they call the shots and kowtow to their opinions or be true to yourself and accept that your time in their domain may be limited.

flagyl
Reply #32 Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:14 AM

Fistalis


 Blunt honesty and lack of political correctness and/or diplomatic tact. I personally find those traits quite endearing

 

Situationally, yes. In general, no.

Borg999
Reply #33 Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:12 AM

As a mod on another board, I deal with a lot of trolls and people using the anonymity of the Internet to be jerks.

And I agree with most of what has been said here.

But to claim every troll is an unemployed loser is just over the top.

Not everyone who is unemployed is a lazy good for nothing leech. Most people are unemployed because there are dozens of people looking for work for each open position available.

To constantly demonize the unemployed is a biased and a skewed view of reality.

 

 

 

Alstein
Reply #34 Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:27 AM

No one ever said that everyone who is unemployed is a leech.

 

The claim was nearly early troll is a loser in reality. Much depends on what you define as a troll.  A troll is not someone who disagrees with you, or even someone who hates you if they believe you did something wrong.  I define troll is someone who starts crap on the internet for their own personal pleasure.

 

That said, sometimes hatred can turn someone into a troll.   I'll say this: the truly effective trolls I've run across, have been folks who have tended to NOT be losers in life, but there are very few effective trolls.

 

I agree with you 100% on the demonization of those receiving government help, but that's not what's being claimed here.

 

Jafo
Reply #35 Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:09 AM

Fistalis
Anytime you step into someone elses domain you have to either accept that they call the shots and kowtow to their opinions or be true to yourself and accept that your time in their domain may be limited.

Nope...you don't even have to cow-tow to their opinions....you can happily have your own.  It's only the standards of conduct that needs be followed.

How long someone remains in a 'domain' is exactly the length of how long they WISH to remain so.

Site Administrators are just here to manage the timing...

Borg999
Reply #36 Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:33 AM

Alstein

No one ever said that everyone who is unemployed is a leech.

 

Brad said:

"The typical troll is an unemployed wannabe.  That's what fuels them in the first place. They hate people who have done things they wanted and in order to rationalize their own life failures they have to invent failings in other people. They don't recognize that their own failures are tied to their attitudes on life."

and in another post after that  he mentioned "basement" and "loser" which also implied unemployed (e.g living in your parents basement with no job)


Borg999
Reply #37 Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:38 AM



Quoting Fistalis, reply 31Anytime you step into someone elses domain you have to either accept that they call the shots and kowtow to their opinions or be true to yourself and accept that your time in their domain may be limited.

Nope...you don't even have to cow-tow to their opinions....you can happily have your own.  It's only the standards of conduct that needs be followed.

I've joined a number of boards, where if you express an opinion that differs from the majority, you will get banned...

 

Alstein
Reply #38 Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:45 AM

Borg999


Quoting Alstein, reply 34
No one ever said that everyone who is unemployed is a leech.

 


Brad said:

"The typical troll is an unemployed wannabe.  That's what fuels them in the first place. They hate people who have done things they wanted and in order to rationalize their own life failures they have to invent failings in other people. They don't recognize that their own failures are tied to their attitudes on life."

and in another post after that  he mentioned "basement" and "loser" which also implied unemployed (e.g living in your parents basement with no job)


 

Yes, but the other poster was impling that Brad thinks every unemployed is a leech/loser, which isn't true.

 

Being unemployed does not make you a troll.

 

Jafo
Reply #39 Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:49 AM

Borg999



Quoting Alstein,
reply 34

No one ever said that everyone who is unemployed is a leech.

 



Brad said:

"The typical troll is an unemployed wannabe.  That's what fuels them in the first place. They hate people who have done things they wanted and in order to rationalize their own life failures they have to invent failings in other people. They don't recognize that their own failures are tied to their attitudes on life."

and in another post after that  he mentioned "basement" and "loser" which also implied unemployed (e.g living in your parents basement with no job)



The saying is....every thumb is a finger...but NOT every finger is a thumb.

All trolls [maybe] being unemployed is NOT the same thing as 'all unemployed are trolls'.

People who desire to make trolling their career path typically will be too busy doing so to be able to be gainfully employed at the same time...

 

Jafo
Reply #40 Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:57 AM

Borg999
I've joined a number of boards, where if you express an opinion that differs from the majority, you will get banned...

Not on Stardock's sites you won't....provided that opinion is not racist or discriminatory or incites criminality...

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